CT is dead, please fix

[Malevicton]

I just think allowing it undersized would solve the problem entirely. I see undersized coil/ex primal groups all the time. Making it required/roulette/relic would piss off a lot of people, new and old. Since there's a solution that doesn't do that (undersized) I don't get why people want specifically to make it required/roulette/relic. Also, couldn't

And yes. Many do complain. But what happens then, if they got what they think they want?

be applied to this thread as well? Kinda weird to pull the "people don't know what they really want" card to try and support a thread about wanting something.

[Adire]

be applied to this thread as well? Kinda weird to pull the "people don't know what they really want" card to try and support a thread about wanting something.

Huh O.o?

I'm pretty sure we (the people wanting CT to be relevant again) know what we want O.o.

Keeping old content relevant for old players is something SE has been doing for as long as I can remember, if we were indecisive about that formula, I'm sure we'd know by now.

[Malevicton]

Huh O.o?

I'm pretty sure we (the people wanting CT to be relevant again) know what we want O.o.

Keeping old content relevant for old players is something SE has been doing for as long as I can remember, if we were indecisive about that formula, I'm sure we'd know by now.

So people not knowing what they really want just applies to people who want things different from you? I think they're pretty confident as well :P

Old content really isn't relevant right now. High lvl/msq/lvling roulettes are only good for leveling, and they're not even good at that. Everything else you just have to do once for story, and if you were caught up you don't need em at all. How is 2.X content relevant right now? I haven't needed to do any of it since 3.0

Anyways, I already said I'd be fine with opening it up for undersized/unsynched. Why do you feel more than that is necessary?

[Adire]

So people not knowing what they really want just applies to people who want things different from you? :P

Old content really isn't relevant right now. High lvl/msq/lvling roulettes are only good for leveling, and they're not even good at that. Everything else you just have to do once for story, and if you were caught up you don't need em at all. How is 2.X content relevant right now?

Nope. You are taking my words out of context. Not even gonna bother posting anything more than this since it's obvious you're trying to spin my words :P

I will respond to this though. 2.X content is very relevant for leveling. Roulettes all give a nice chunk of experience each, the new relics will soon be out and will likely involve 2.x content.

I don't NEED to do the content, but I do enjoy the experience!

[Malevicton]

Nope. You are taking my words out of context. Not even gonna bother posting anything more than this since it's obvious you're trying to spin my words :P

Not really spinning your words... The term is "responding" but okay.

Anyone else wanna come up with a good reason that unsynched/undersized isn't good enough? Cause I'm fine with that :/

I just don't want to be farming 3.0 gear from 2.0 content.

I will respond to this though. 2.X content is very relevant for leveling. Roulettes all give a nice chunk of experience each, the new relics will soon be out and will likely involve 2.x content.

I don't NEED to do the content, but I do enjoy the experience!

It's not good exp, though. It's an option, but a hw dungeon is better xp than any of the roulettes

[Adire]

Not really spinning your words... The term is "responding" but okay.

If you were just "responding", you should know that your "response" didn't really address my post's context and points accurately, but okay.

You're silly if you think new players who think they want to gut most of the game without experiencing it won't run out of things to do sooner and complain about that if they had their way though.

If lots of people who are already at that point are doing it, what makes you think they wouldn't? I'm sure many would.

And the people wanting CT to be revived don't doubt wanting it. We've had pretty much FFXIV's entire lifetime to get to known the formula and figure out if we like it, and just want it to be applied to CT.

There's literally no reason for us to think we want it when we've had XIV's entire lifetime to get to know the effects. We know we want it.

It's not good exp, though. It's an option, but a hw dungeon is better xp than any of the roulettes

I disagree. I get very good experience from it, and it's partly why I've been able to level several jobs to 60 already without having the time to grind much.

And judging by the lack of complaints around the topic, especially vs FATEs at launch, and the quick queue times lately for me at least, I'd say the incentive is working as intended and is indeed worth it to many people.

Regardless, relics will soon make old content even more relevant. A healthy player base for all levels of content, it's a good thing.

[T2teddy]

Level 60s who post and say that old content like Crystal Tower is useless and nobody wants or needs to run it, are thinking solely in terms of BEING far above level 50. Of course you don't need to run the place. However that census indicated that pretty close to 65-70% of the player base is LESS than level 53 ish and could definitely use CT and other 'old content' to gear and level up with, since ya know, they haven't even got to the HW areas yet...
I swear, everywhere I go I'm tripping over people sporting green sprouts...

Story for you:
A few nights ago I queued for WoD because i needed the pearl for the weekly for a new class. 21 of the 24 were NEW and never done the place! LOL
You can imagine how much fun the Eyeball fight was :P
Me and one group's tank and another's WHM explained all the fights and we actually only wiped 4 times in the entire run. It was a lot of fun and most of the news all said they loved the place.

[Malevicton]

I disagree. I get very good experience from it, and it's partly why I've been able to level several jobs to 60 already without having the time to grind much.

And judging by the lack of complaints around the topic, especially vs FATEs at launch, and the quick queue times lately for me at least, I'd say the incentive is working as intended and is indeed worth it to many people.

Regardless, relics will soon make old content even more relevant. A healthy player base for all levels of content, it's a good thing.

It's just math. The exp isn't bad, but you can get more from a hw dungeon at 51+. They're a fun change of pace every now and then if you're into that sort of thing, but they aren't the most xp efficient way to level by a pretty decent margin. They're just enough xp for it to be worth doing if you already wanted to do it anyways, but no more than that.

Anyways, I'm just gonna copy/paste my point until you answer it: Anyways, I already said I'd be fine with opening it up for undersized/unsynched. Why do you feel more than that is necessary?

I don't wanna run 2.0 content for 3.0 gear. There's no case (since the xp for roulettes is what I just now said) where the devs have done so thus far, which doesn't mean they never will, but it's definitely not the overt design direction of the game either. After heavensward you never need to touch 2.0 content, and I'm fine with that. You can undersize anything except CT. Add CT to the list, and problem solved. Why make it more complicated than that?

Let's just not do the new players thing. Neither of us speak for new players. I completely disagree, but neither of us can back that up, so let's just agree to disagree on that point and move on to others.