CT is dead, please fix

[LunaHoshino]

Anyways, I'm just gonna copy/paste my point until you answer it: Anyways, I already said I'd be fine with opening it up for undersized/unsynched. Why do you feel more than that is necessary?

Because some of us would actually like to have it as a roulette. I know I for one would happily queue up for a CT roulette-- I'd much rather run those repeatedly than CM and Prae. There's nothing forcing you to queue for a roulette if you don't want to-- I don't like running CM and Prae (unless I'm taking a friend through) so I just plain don't run Main Scenario roulette. But it's there so that the people who do want to run it can.

[Farah]

Add better exp gain from all the CT stuff, throw them into a roulette together with a few tomes as reward, and also make it so undersized parties can complete it. I would like it done on my alt, but the queue is god awful. I also have a few new people in the free company that want to see the story line, but it isn't enough to make a full party.

[Twilite]

Coil sucks. Please don't do anything about it
Ex Fights sucks. Please don't do anything about it
Void Ark sucks, Please don't do anything about it

CT SUCKS, Dear gods don't do anything about it SE!

So on and so forth, your problem is that YOU find old and future outdated content sucky and would rather harp on people who want to revitalize old content to become less 'sucky'.... this is a problem SE can not fix for you, utterly.

This is why more roes should be married.

[ElHeggunte]

So what we're asking for is for SE to attempt to force everyone into old content so we can run back to the forums and bitch about them rehashing ideas when they do? Just making sure I understand what we're discussing.

[Adire]

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I notice that I get more experience from roulette'd dungeons usually than I get from one HW dungeon, so I'm not so sure about that. I definitely do from low level roulette, may not from high level roulette. If high really doesn't give as much as a HW dungeon, then SE should definitely make it more attractive to old players. But queue times usually aren't that bad, so it may still be worth it to people.

I apologize, I wasn't aware you were questioning me specifically with that. I feel like more is necessary because new people may not have the numbers or the item level or the needed people playing the needed roles willing to help to make an undersized/unsynced run successful. I know I would not have had that as a newbie when I started.

They have made past content relevant before for old players. They've been doing it for as long as I've been playing. I have doubts about HW dungeons giving more than roulettes, particularly leveling roulette and especially if you get into a dungeon that gives decent exp per mob. But prior to HW, roulettes were definitely the fastest way to get experience when you had them available.

Also, relics consistently had players going into old content.

And dungeon grinding is also done by veterans, which helps queue times for new players. The fact they give so much experience is an incentive in and of itself.

Not to mention, the gil bonus for adventurers in need is pretty substantial, especially if you don't gather or craft. Yet another incentive that has existed for a while to get old players to keep old content relevant.

And I'm not just referring to new players. Old players already complain about having nothing to do a lot after finishing HW. Everyone I know who has rushed content has complained similarly. Why is it a stretch to say cutting out a huge chunk of the game would cause new players to feel this way too? The evidence for this already exists.

There are people who would love to skip over the 2.X content. But this is an MMO. MMOs take work to get to the desired result, that being HW for some people. An MMO without any work required to get what you want won't retain many players. I don't know about others, but getting what I want after working for it is part of what makes me stay in MMOs. If I could get what I wanted immediately, I'd be like "Yay, that's done....now what?"

[Renault]

Why is this a thread? Once void ark is released nobody will miss that OLD faceroll 24 man. Then two weeks later nobody will miss ANY of the 24 mans.

[Renault]

Because some of us would actually like to have it as a roulette. I know I for one would happily queue up for a CT roulette-- I'd much rather run those repeatedly than CM and Prae. There's nothing forcing you to queue for a roulette if you don't want to-- I don't like running CM and Prae (unless I'm taking a friend through) so I just plain don't run Main Scenario roulette. But it's there so that the people who do want to run it can.

But why are you running CM/Prae in the first place?

[Farah]

But why are you running CM/Prae in the first place?

New players still have to do the grind the same way old players did. Lvl 50 dungeons still have ilevel caps that have to be met before running them. I think they somewhat fixed this by giving the i90 gear straight off the bat now, but there is still a significant tome grind for new players to get the updated 50 gear (ilvl 120), which is still relevant to people without the expansion.

[Nadirah]

This ladies and gentleman is why many MMOs are not newbie friendly. They get left behind in content without a chance at ever catching up. I'm really glad SE doesn't listen to this mindset.

The great thing about FFXIV is SE is good at keeping most content relevant, otherwise newbies would have a greatly diminished experience and in many cases, ability to play. CT really needs a fix.

The only history they have with keeping old content relevant is in a game that isn't very popular in the West, whereas this game is modeled after and specifically designed *for* the West.

And that lovely dev time they're not spending on dungeons and raids is going into other stuff that I find stupid bullshit, like Gold Saucer and crafting. It's not like they're wasting it.

Deal with it.

[Nadirah]

Because some of us would actually like to have it as a roulette. I know I for one would happily queue up for a CT roulette-- I'd much rather run those repeatedly than CM and Prae. There's nothing forcing you to queue for a roulette if you don't want to-- I don't like running CM and Prae (unless I'm taking a friend through) so I just plain don't run Main Scenario roulette. But it's there so that the people who do want to run it can.

Please tell me how a 24 player roulette is going to work? You'll still be waiting days for it to pop.

How about asking them to rework it for a single group of 8 instead and quit trying to force people into it for menial bullshit "incentives"?