Just need to vent...

[Yaichiro]

Not really except you get Odin premade in 8vs8vs8 and even then they lose sometimes against pugs.

The odin pre made don't run as often as you think. I have changed to adders couple days ago and I can tell you adders aren't as bad as you think. In all my games we are attacked by both GC simultaneously several times which makes us lose by being overpowered by the two GCs. That's why it doesn't happen in early mornings since you can defend well even with both GCs attacking you since matches are 8vs8vs8 during morning.

I came to a conclusion that Adders are the favourite target of both flame and mael.

[Guesswhat]

...In all my games we are attacked by both GC simultaneously several times which makes us lose by being overpowered by the two GCs...

Yes, this is true. I remember it well. No place to hide. Not ALL the time though. But as I'm in mael now I don't find this to be true. Even when we have the perfect opportunity to, we don't do it. I occasionally say in chat "flank flames now", or "flank bladders now", but most of the time we let a perfect opportunity pass us by.

[TiaHariberux3]

I came to a conclusion that Adders are the favourite target of both flame and mael.

I know they do like 20 games in a week. Yeah u can defend pretty well against 2 GCs but u get rekt by premades http://puu.sh/kdVEH.jpg I wouldnt recommend 8vs8vs8 for Pugs its just slaughter. Yes adder is kinda bad if we notice u are weak we will just "farm" adder in 72/24. Also in 72 we survive attacked from both GCs often cause we save our lb for things like this getting attacked from both isnt something what will make u lose if u know how to avoid it. Agree adder is our favourite target alot of people hate them so they are happy when we have to push u.

[Guesswhat]

http://puu.sh/kdVEH.jpg

That looks like premde alright. Kinda disappointing you had deaths lol. My premades have been nothing like this. T_T

[TiaHariberux3]

That looks like premde alright. Kinda disappointing you had deaths lol. My premades have been nothing like this. T_T

Well our whm dps (almost got battle high lol)+ adder had 3 healer so when both attacked us deaths happened but thats not what I wanted to say I just dont like the idea that premades can play against Pugs in 8vs8vs8- I mean you dont really want to wait 40-60min for a match just to get this. I never soloqueue again at morning cause 8vs8vs8 is always bad (several matches with 0 points)

[kensatsu]

I am Adders since the begining in chaos, i can tell you,
Adders was going good when we was doing secure, bad when the slaughter come out, then better... The same when this new pvp come out. even worst , with the new pvp mode.
In all new pvp release we get a lot of new players trying the new mode.
We was realy bad two month ago. (hopefully we have good groups atm)
But yeah we got often sandwiched by the two GCs, but i don't think it's because Mael And flamme think we are easy to take or bad. We are certainly hated from immortal and mael and hate is old, Adders is hated since Secure Pvp^^

[TiaHariberux3]

I am Adders since the begining in chaos, i can tell you,
Adders was going good when we was doing secure, bad when the slaughter come out, then better... The same when this new pvp come out. even worst , with the new pvp mode.
In all new pvp release we get a lot of new players trying the new mode.
We was realy bad two month ago. (hopefully we have good groups atm)
But yeah we got often sandwiched by the two GCs, but i don't think it's because Mael And flamme think we are easy to take or bad. We are certainly hated from immortal and mael and hate is old, Adders is hated since Secure Pvp^^

I'm in flames and I can say for sure we take you not as serious as mael lol. I often see adder attacking us without reason which ends up in 0 points for adder and feeding the other GCs. If we see we can farm some points on ur spawn we wont go back instantly since kills are more worth than nodes x)

[Srab]

I am Adders since the begining in chaos, i can tell you,
Adders was going good when we was doing secure, bad when the slaughter come out, then better... The same when this new pvp come out. even worst , with the new pvp mode.
In all new pvp release we get a lot of new players trying the new mode.
We was realy bad two month ago. (hopefully we have good groups atm)
But yeah we got often sandwiched by the two GCs, but i don't think it's because Mael And flamme think we are easy to take or bad^^

adders still have really good players i notice that alot but the problem they have so many new ppl i was playing with them in lv50 FL its really normal when you saw guy with lv50 job gears keep getting 1 shoted
also they dont have a good leaders and they also dont playing op classes
remmeber how many blm's with flames in (slaugther) mode? and how many smn's in this new mode?
tbh the healers in adders is the best healers in choas

[Synestra]

Adders was going good when we was doing secure

Ah the times... Both adders and mael used to dominate in secure while imm was just there so you could farm some kills, tho mael usually won but adders gave them run for the money and was only real threat for them most of time.

[kensatsu]

TiaHariberux3 : It happen we have Poor Alliance doing thing without reason, say we have too much new players is realy a fact, i saw one game like this yesterday.

Srab : you are right, actualy the main Job of Gridania is dragoon, Bard, Whm, so it's logic to have more war/smn/sch from maelstrom^^ and more Blm from immortal.
But still some pvp players in adder choose smn because smn is op but maybe not enough.
I play War but the next job i up will certainly be Smn/sch for pvp^^.

Synestra : yeah i miss the adders from secure a lot