A SMN More Like Dissidia Yuna

[SoloWingMetatron]

Intro:

I think for me the problem with SMN is that it does not focus on the jobs' core ability (Summoning). Of course it is true that a number of Summoners in the FF franchise have indeed utilized other magical abilities (White/Black Magic). However these are abilities shared with other jobs, jobs that utilize them as their core abilities. SMN's core abilities is Summoning. That should be their focus.

I should stress that SMN's current incarnation is not broken in any way, it works, and I enjoy playing it. However that does not mean it is a perfect job and could have been implemented better. I have mentioned this on another thread recently, but I think a play style much like Yuna from Dissidia would be far better suited to SMN.

Ability/Egi Overhaul:

Instead of having the Egi as a separate entity (pet) with it's own A.I, health bar and abilities. The Egi should become nothing more than a visual effect that follows the SMN. Summon I, II, III and all DoT's should be removed and replaced with the Egi's abilities. When the SMN uses one of these abilities, like Flaming Crush for example, Ifrit is instantly summoned and does the attack. He will then stay summoned as long as the SMN keeps using the abilities linked to Ifrit. If the SMN switches to abilities linked to Garuda or Titan, then Ifrit would be dismissed and the other Egi instantly summoned to carry out the attack.

This would shift the focus entirely onto summoning but also prevent the Egi from dying and making the SMN useless, as it is no longer classed as a pet.

Primal Aether Stacks/Enkindle:

The SMN could even gain stacks of Primal Aether of a specific element when using their abilities in unison, which they can save up to use Enkindle. For example SMN could open with Radiant Shield > Burning Strike > Flaming Crush > Crimson Cyclone > Enkindle. Each ability used would give SMN a stack of Inferno Aether, giving a total of 4 stacks. Ifrit's Enkidle could then be used. Which could have a totally new visual of the Ifrit Egi dissipating into a void portal and the upper torso of the full Ifrit Primal emerges out of said portal and does Inferno and is then dismissed (much like Yuna's Aeons in Dissidia) Ifrit's Enkindle would then go on cooldown.



But each Egi's Enkindles could be on a separate cooldown encouraging the SMN to switch to a different Egi linked ability set and combo those moves to utilize Garuda's or Titan's Enkindle, via their respected Primal Aether stacks (Vortex Aether, Crag Aether).

Dreadwyrm Trance/Deathflare:

Dreadwyrm Trance would still remain, but instead you would gain Aethertrail's from each Enkindle in order to build the stack of three needed to use Dreadwyrm Trance/Deathflare. Which again could be changed into another void portal where the upper torso of Bahamut emerges to do Deathflare and then disappears.

[Averax]

Yuna in Dissidia was my favorite character and i love this idea.

Can't see it ever actually happening, but i love it.

It would certainly be one of the more unique classes i'd ever seen in an MMO.

[SoloWingMetatron]

Yuna in Dissidia was my favorite character and i love this idea.

Can't see it ever actually happening, but i love it.

It would certainly be one of the more unique classes i'd ever seen in an MMO.

Yeah Yuna was my go to fave in Dissidia! I love how they incorporated the Aeons into game play (and on a PSP title no less!) I just feel a play style similar to that would suit SMN really well in XIV.

Dissidia Summoner wouldn't work hear since the lore states Primals are conjured up rather than called from another world. I can see SE allowing us to summon Hydaelyn and the Twelve since they exists in another world as oppose to being Pure Aether Contructs like Primals.

Actually, the Summoner here just summons portions of the Primals' essence. Which could work with this idea so long as we never are able to summon a full primal. We could conjure the primal's essence into several quick attacks, and they would dissipate after the attack

Indeed Averax, lore wise the way the Egi are summoned in this idea is no different to how they are summoned with how SMN currently is. The lore does not need to change.

If this were entirely PC, I can see it, but PS3 Limitations says otherwise

This is true, the PS3 could pose a problem with this idea. Perhaps the idea could be scaled back to allow for PS3 limitations? Either way it's just a bit of fun and I think a Dissidia Yuna play style would be so cool and make the job all about Summoning, which is what people seem to want most for SMN.

[Akiza]

Dissidia Summoner wouldn't work hear since the lore states Primals are conjured up rather than called from another world. I can see SE allowing us to summon Hydaelyn and the Twelve since they exists in another world as oppose to being Pure Aether Contructs like Primals.

[Averax]

Dissidia Summoner wouldn't work hear since the lore states Primals are conjured up rather than called from another world. I can see SE allowing us to summon Hydaelyn and the Twelve since they exists in another world as oppose to being Pure Aether Contructs like Primals.

Actually, the Summoner here just summons portions of the Primals' essence. Which could work with this idea so long as we never are able to summon a full primal. We could conjure the primal's essence into several quick attacks, and they would dissipate after the attack

[Dalvy]

Instead of having the Egi as a separate entity (pet) with it's own A.I, health bar and abilities. The Egi should become nothing more than a visual effect that follows the SMN. Summon I, II, III and all DoT's should be removed and replaced with the Egi's abilities. When the SMN uses one of these abilities, like Flaming Crush for example, Ifrit is instantly summoned and does the attack. He will then stay summoned as long as the SMN keeps using the abilities linked to Ifrit. If the SMN switches to abilities linked to Garuda or Titan, then Ifrit would be dismissed and the other Egi instantly summoned to carry out the attack.

If this were entirely PC, I can see it, but PS3 Limitations says otherwise

[Kalsam]

Even if they 'locked it' where you chose which to go with for the entirety of the fight, similar to AST's sects, I'd enjoy this for SMN.

[Fuma]

I like the idea I'm just not sure we'll see it unless they decide to do it as part of an expansion. It'd give them a way to split SCH and SMN apart, let SCH keep it's abilities and give SMN new abilities basically making it a new job.

Just like you though OP I love the SMN job but it doesn't feel like what I'm use to from other FF games where I summon ifrit, titan, etc. for big dmg and then they disappear again. I do enjoy SMN right now but it's just not what I personally envision how SMN should be.

[seraseth]

Just like you though OP I love the SMN job but it doesn't feel like what I'm use to from other FF games where I summon ifrit, titan, etc. for big dmg and then they disappear again. I do enjoy SMN right now but it's just not what I personally envision how SMN should be.

I just posted the same thing in a different thread. I do enjoy SMN as it is, it was my first to 50, but it doesn't feel like a real 'summoner' to me.