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    [DEV REQUEST] Balancing Character Customization

    THREAD UPDATE: 02/05/2017
    It was mentioned in the last live letter there are no plans to add anymore customization options to the character creator and they plan to just keep adding more hairstyles.

    Developers please reconsider, a lot of races like Au Ra, Elezen, Hyur Highlander, and Roe desperately need more options.

    Muscle slider for Miqo'te and au ra should be a possibility as well with the dropping of PS3

    To be honest from a design standbout, we've reached a point where FFXIV need to halt designs of further and further hairstyles, and start putting staff and resources into additional head type, eye, nose, mouth models and additional options in the features menu for every race.

    -Satsuma0 from FFXIV Reddit

    Customization and making your online persona unique from others is always a really nice thing to have in a MMORPG.


    The Request:
    In every update we get a new hairstyle (for example a player created hairstyle coming in 3.1)
    It was mentioned in a Letter from the Producer LIVE that there is a strict limit to the size of each character's memory allocation, yet none of the races customization features are evenly distributed.
    I fear with every new hairstyle added in future content updates the chances of this being balanced will become more and more slim (hairstyles take up memory too right?)

    I was wondering if instead of a new hairstyle in future content updates past 3.1, could you add a few more Face, Jaw, eyebrows, eyes Shapes etc to the races/genders that are lacking them?

    I feel if the races and genders had more equal customization it would greatly help boost the uniqueness of our player characters.







    In the past I collected data from the character creator (I checked females only at the time but males suffer in the same way)

    Below is the information I collected:



    Female Character Creation Options:

    Face:
    Hyur Midlander =5
    Hyur Highlander = 4
    Elezen = 4
    Lalafell = 4
    Miqo'te = 4
    Roegadyn = 4
    Au Ra = 4

    *(Hyur Midlander essentially have more jaw,eyeshapes,eyebrows, nose shapes, and mouth shapes due to have an extra face this is why they are not red below)*


    Jaw:
    Hyur Midlander = 4
    Hyur Highlander = 4
    Elezen = 4
    Lalafell = 4
    Miqo'te = 4
    Roegadyn = 3
    Au Ra = 3


    EyeShape:
    Hyur Midlander = 5
    Hyur Highlander = 6
    Elezen = 6
    Lalafell = 6
    Miqo'te = 6
    Roegadyn = 5
    Au Ra = 5


    Eyebrows:
    Hyur Mildander = 5
    Hyur Highlander = 4
    Elezen = 5
    Lalafell = 5
    Miqo'te = 5
    Roegadyn = 4
    Au Ra = 4


    Nose:
    Hyur Midlander = 5
    Hyur Highlander = 6
    Elezen = 6
    Lalafell = 6
    Miqo'te = 6
    Roegadyn = 6
    Au Ra = 5

    Mouth:
    Hyur Midlander = 4
    Hyur Highlander = 4
    Elezen = 4
    Lalafell =4
    Miqo'te = 4
    Roegadyn = 4
    Au Ra = 4

    EarShape/TailShape:
    Elezen = 4
    Lalafell = 4
    Miqo'te = 8
    Au Ra = 4

    *(Miqo'te, Au Ra, Lalalfell, Elezen Only)*

    Tattoos/Limbal Ring/Ear Clasps:
    Hyur Midlander(Tattoos change with face)= 2
    Hyur Highlander(Tattoos change with face) = 2
    Elezen = 2
    Lalafell = 2
    Miqo'te = 2
    Au Ra = 2
    Roegadyn(Tattoos change with face) = 2



    Male Character Creation Options:

    Face:
    Hyur Midlander = 6
    Hyur Highlander = 4
    Elezen = 4
    Lalafell = 4
    Miqo'te = 4
    Roegadyn = 4
    Au Ra = 4


    Jaw:
    Hyur Midlander = 4
    Hyur Highlander = 4
    Elezen = 4
    Lalafell = 4
    Miqo'te = 4
    Roegadyn = 3
    Au Ra = 4

    EyeShape:
    Hyur Midlander = 6
    Hyur Highlander = 6
    Elezen = 6
    Lalafell = 6
    Miqo'te = 6
    Roegadyn = 5
    Au Ra = 6

    Eyebrows:
    Hyur Mildander = 6
    Hyur Highlander = 4
    Elezen = 6
    Lalafell = 6
    Miqo'te = 5
    Roegadyn = 4
    Au Ra = 6

    Nose:
    Hyur Midlander = 6
    Hyur Highlander = 6
    Elezen = 6
    Lalafell = 6
    Miqo'te = 6
    Roegadyn = 6
    Au Ra = 6

    Mouth:
    Hyur Midlander = 4
    Hyur Highlander = 4
    Elezen = 4
    Lalafell = 4
    Miqo'te = 4
    Roegadyn = 4
    Au Ra = 4

    EarShape/TailShape:
    Elezen = 4
    Lalafell = 4
    Miqo'te = 8
    Au Ra = 4

    *(Miqo'te, Au Ra, Lalalfell, Elezen Only)*

    Tattoos/Limbal Ring/Ear Clasps:
    Hyur Midlander(Tattoos change with face)= 2
    Hyur Highlander(Tattoos change with face) = 2
    Elezen = 2
    Lalafell = 2
    Miqo'te = 2
    Au Ra = 2
    Roegadyn(Tattoos change with face) = 2
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    Last edited by Vejjiegirl; 05-03-2017 at 03:55 AM.

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    See, this sorta thing still doesn't make much sense for me. Not to mention the fact that the girls have an entirely additional slider that's lacking an equivalent the guys (Breast slider). I really wish we'd get an in depth look into why hairstyle additions don't mess things up or why there's just down right less options on some of the races (And an entirely missing equivalent option on the guys for the breast slider).
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    The characters of this game look amazing and I love them very very much! But... The amount of copycats (no pun intended) in this game is real. The options are not only limited but some races have even less choices than the others.

    Again, I think the character creator is fine like it is currently but I've seen lower budget games who had a much better character creator than FF14 which is really a shame when you think of all the possible things they could add to make this game even better when it comes to its character creator... I only wish there was a bit more for us to play with considering the amount of players active on this game.
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    I plan to update the OP with the male stats tomorrow.
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    Lets see if i can put this into easy terms to understand.

    Picture memory as a number of slots. Now assume we have 4 available slots for facial features. These 4 slots can be filled out for example with face, eyes, nose, mouth. We are now using all of our available slots for these 4 customisation options. The reason we cant have the horns and face as a separate option is because this would create a 5th customisation option, but we only have room for 4 options.

    As for why adding extra hairstyles doesn't affect this is because even if we have 100 different hairstyles to choose from, ONLY 1 hairstyle (the one you choose) is actually taking up 1 of the 4 available memory slots.

    The number of total hairstyles we have to choose from is likely to have its own separate memory allocation but that's another issue on its own. You have to view memory as the separate parts that they belong to to make up the whole.

    Its a similar issue to the common misconceptions that people have with inventory space. They wonder why if we can purchase an extra retainer, why cant that extra space just be given on our characters. Its the same issue, 1 character with 100 slots plus 1 retainer uses the same amount of available memory when they summon a retainer as a person with 1 character with 100 slots and 10 retainers. Because only 1 retainer memory is loaded up at any given time. The character inventory memory remains the same at 100 slots

    But if we had a person who has a character with 200 slots and 1 retainer, they are suddenly using almost 2 times the memory of the person who only has 100 slots and 1 retainer because that character inventory has to be loaded in memory at all times.

    And lets not even get started on the technical side of what memory means cause that just gets even more confusing, does it refer to space on a HDD, or RAM or even the capacity of your bandwidth. Most people on these forums think it refers to HDD space, but in most instances, it refers to the later two areas.
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    Last edited by Fitzy; 09-12-2015 at 02:03 PM.

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    I updated the stats for the males now, I noticed most of the male races are pretty even compared to the female races. Midlander Hyur is OP though! 6 Face styles while the other races only get 4!

    Male Au Ra Customization > Female Au Ra Customization


    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzy View Post
    Lets see if i can put this into easy terms to understand.

    Picture memory as a number of slots. Now assume we have 4 available slots for facial features. These 4 slots can be filled out for example with face, eyes, nose, mouth. We are now using all of our available slots for these 4 customisation options. The reason we cant have the horns and face as a separate option is because this would create a 5th customisation option, but we only have room for 4 options.

    As for why adding extra hairstyles doesn't affect this is because even if we have 100 different hairstyles to choose from, ONLY 1 hairstyle (the one you choose) is actually taking up 1 of the 4 available memory slots.

    The number of total hairstyles we have to choose from is likely to have its own separate memory allocation but that's another issue on its own. You have to view memory as the separate parts that they belong to to make up the whole.

    Its a similar issue to the common misconceptions that people have with inventory space. They wonder why if we can purchase an extra retainer, why cant that extra space just be given on our characters. Its the same issue, 1 character with 100 slots plus 1 retainer uses the same amount of available memory when they summon a retainer as a person with 1 character with 100 slots and 10 retainers. Because only 1 retainer memory is loaded up at any given time. The character inventory memory remains the same at 100 slots

    But if we had a person who has a character with 200 slots and 1 retainer, they are suddenly using almost 2 times the memory of the person who only has 100 slots and 1 retainer because that character inventory has to be loaded in memory at all times.

    And lets not even get started on the technical side of what memory means cause that just gets even more confusing, does it refer to space on a HDD, or RAM or even the capacity of your bandwidth. Most people on these forums think it refers to HDD space, but in most instances, it refers to the later two areas.
    That makes a lot of sense, it would explain why they couldn't add Au Ra Horn selection for example. This would mean that each selection (i.e. Face Shape) would have different slots that they could add into like the hairstyle selection. However, they wouldn't be able to add anything else (for example Muscle Slider for Male Miq'ote)
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    Last edited by Vejjiegirl; 09-13-2015 at 12:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzy View Post
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    As other have stated though worded a bit differently, that's a great explanation on why we won't see the addition of a universal muscle slider yet, but not necessarily an explanation on why the Midlander girl has 5 facial options while the other races only have four, especially considering in many aspects they have notably less options.
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    I'm a giant dragon and heretic sympathizer and I love character customization

    See my thread about equalizing the heights for men and women of each race! http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/253435-A-suggestion-regarding-height.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samcaesar View Post
    Not to mention the fact that the girls have an entirely additional slider that's lacking an equivalent the guys (Breast slider).
    And thus, Hunberct Longhaft was born.

    But in all seriousness, I was a bit irked by this myself when creating another character. There are make-up options available to Highlanders that Midlanders cannot use. And I completely understand making each race and subrace unique in ways, but I don't think that simple cutting off features from one and not offering anything in its place is really the way to go. I'd have to check again to be certain, but I don't think the Midlander Females can use the freckles option that Highlanders can.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzy View Post
    Lets see if i can put this into easy terms to understand. [...]
    That makes perfect sense. Given this information, though, I'd like to ask how much memory would be affected by running consoles of varying power, one of which is leagues behind the other two? And this isn't to start a "PS3 limitations!" rant or anything, but I've been assuming that part of the memory issue was due to that. Or is it something that is completely on SE's end moreso than the client's? Obviously, the system can't load nearly as much at once as the others, but that shouldn't affect the "slots", should it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amiaze View Post
    And this isn't to start a "PS3 limitations!" rant or anything, but I've been assuming that part of the memory issue was due to that. Or is it something that is completely on SE's end moreso than the client's? Obviously, the system can't load nearly as much at once as the others, but that shouldn't affect the "slots", should it?
    Yeah it could be possible the PS3 limitations are a major issue when it comes to Character creation, although it still doesn't explain how they can make hairstyles in every patch but not add anything else in other areas for races that need them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl View Post
    Yeah it could be possible the PS3 limitations are a major issue when it comes to Character creation, although it still doesn't explain how they can make hairstyles in every patch but not add anything else in other areas for races that need them.
    Sometimes there are also new facepaints
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