How likely is Alex savage to be nerfed.

[Velhart]

Let me ask, what logical reason is there to nerf the Savage version of these fights? They were built specifically to challenge a group's max skill level. If people are bringing up the gear excuse, I am very sure SE will have alternative gear to obtain around the same ilvl or better when new raid content comes out. The normal mode is there for many reasons.

[Ibi]

Let me ask, what logical reason is there to nerf the Savage version of these fights? They were built specifically to challenge a group's max skill level.

You could have applied the same argument to the first round of Extreme Primal fights though, and they still had the echo enabled once they weren't current content.

They were also implemented to challenge a group's skill level (though not to the same extent as Savage), there was an existing easier version of each of the fights (with a similar jump in difficulty), and they had equivalent equipment available from other sources even before their implementation.

[rappa]

You could have applied the same argument to the first round of Extreme Primal fights though, and they still had the echo enabled once they weren't current content.

They were also implemented to challenge a group's skill level (though not to the same extent as Savage), there was an existing easier version of each of the fights (with a similar jump in difficulty), and they had equivalent equipment available from other sources even before their implementation.

The reason to nerf those primal was they were necessary to kill to get the access to new primals extremes.

[Ibi]

The reason to nerf those primal was they were necessary to kill to get the access to new primals extremes.

Only because that's the choice SE decided to make. There's no intrinsic reason they couldn't have left that requirement off and not enabled echo, as demonstrated by the fact that they did eventually remove that requirement.

They could also decide to make an A4S kill necessary to enter A5S, in turn making it "necessary" to enable echo for A1S-A4S.

[Mature]

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Each to their own opinion tbh. You give me a bunch of people who are willing to spend a day trying to clear Alex S and it will be clear certain arms. My point is very simple, get the people get the time and you do it. As simple as that. Alex Savage is NOT hard and does not need nerffing. But sadly there ain't enough people wanting to spend their time to try it cause they just Give up after 4 hours. I'm not here to argue but to give my very OWN personal opinion from my very OWN experience from what ive seen since coil. People become deluded (not all of them) that's why we have a little bunch of morons who called themselves elitists......, which is sad. If my opinion hurts well is tough. And at the end of the day people just won't like my comments regarding this issue cause they know it's true and tbh I couldn't care less someone had to say it.

[Whiteroom]

People become deluded (not all of them) that's why we have a little bunch of morons who called themselves elitists......, which is sad. If my opinion hurts well is tough. And at the end of the day people just won't like my comments regarding this issue cause they know it's true and tbh I couldn't care less someone had to say it.

Reverse Elitism?

Really, give a team a day to clear savage and they will. Glad to know its been getting cleared since day 1. Or were you only refering to A1S? Because basing the whole of the raid on the easiest one isn't really a good way to go about it.

Also, who calls themselves an elitist, that is generally a term used by those who can't clear content, when people who can clear it, don't carry them.

Or wait, are you confusing Alex NM with Alex Savage?

[rappa]

Each to their own opinion tbh. You give me a bunch of people who are willing to spend a day trying to clear Alex S and it will be clear certain arms. My point is very simple, get the people get the time and you do it. As simple as that. Alex Savage is NOT hard and does not need nerffing. But sadly there ain't enough people wanting to spend their time to try it cause they just Give up after 4 hours. I'm not here to argue but to give my very OWN personal opinion from my very OWN experience from what ive seen since coil. People become deluded (not all of them) that's why we have a little bunch of morons who called themselves elitists......, which is sad. If my opinion hurts well is tough. And at the end of the day people just won't like my comments regarding this issue cause they know it's true and tbh I couldn't care less someone had to say it.

Your opinion offend me, all my time wasted, i killed a1s day 2, a2s day 4, but a3s kill was a month ago. It wasn't a easy fight as you say, you need practice, compenetration, awareness, and max your dps to get the kill. You said people gave up after 4 hours, what? had you got a static or a PF pug? i think the second option. I saw a lot of static disbanded because they were unable to kill jigglybutt. The first month only a hundred players killed a3s. were you one of them? I don't think so.
Do you expect kill one boss in 4 hours of raid without ingame experience and a PF group? I want your optimism.

I am a raider, my schedule is 4 hours inside a4s. 1 hour gathering reagents, crafting food and potion. I wish i help others fc members to do stuff, but i can't my time is tight.

My condolences if you met dick players, just ignore them and search good persons to complete content. Saying your words, become you the same player you are blaming. Raiders put theirs effort to complete the content. At least, we need respect.


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Only because that's the choice SE decided to make. There's no intrinsic reason they couldn't have left that requirement off and not enabled echo, as demonstrated by the fact that they did eventually remove that requirement.

They could also decide to make an A4S kill necessary to enter A5S, in turn making it "necessary" to enable echo for A1S-A4S.

Or the other option, you only need complete a5-a8 normal mode to get the access to Savage.

[Ibi]

Or the other option, you only need complete a5-a8 normal mode to get the access to Savage.

That's probably more likely, but we're unlikely to know until closer to 3.2.

Until we do, it seems unreasonable to say "There's no logical reason to nerf Savage" when the only real precedent we have (2.x Extreme Primal fights) indicates that SE don't have a problem with creating a reason as they add new content, and nerfing the old content accordingly.

[rappa]

I really don't care if they nerf Alex savage or not in 3.2, that gear will be obsolete when a5-a8 savage will be up. My only interest is see more players to become raiders, they should focuse in Savage content. It's disheartening open the pf and see a lot of static looking for fill theirs spots when 2 weeks ago they were killing bosses as same time. :/

Hards time to be a Endgame player

[Gilraen]

I really don't care if they nerf Alex savage or not in 3.2, that gear will be obsolete when a5-a8 savage will be up. My only interest is see more players to become raiders, they should focuse in Savage content. It's disheartening open the pf and see a lot of static looking for fill theirs spots when 2 weeks ago they were killing bosses as same time. :/

Hards time to be a Endgame player

Maybe if the groups that keep cycling players weren't so abrasive they'd actually keep players instead of chase them off. A good static listens to it's players and works with them and their particular schedules. As such there's often no need to cycle players because everyone's on the same page.