What if certain bosses had the oppositeof an enragetimer?

[SwordswornFox]

What if bosses in raid content had effects that triggered if you burned them down to fast? A reverse of an enrage timer used in conjunction with effect encouraging tank swaps, healing bursts, etc. I'm just trying to float ideas about different ways to challenge raids other then DPS checks.

[StouterTaru]

They tried that around 2.1 with the dungeons, it didn't go over too well. The dungeons were quickly nerfed.

The reason for all the dps checks is because FCoB was beaten in its first week. DPS checks are the easy way to prevent that, and cause much less of an uproar than the alternatives, such as daily/weekly lockout on attempts or tedious grinding for each attempt.

[ExiaQuanta]

Well, Ifrit EX had that. If you burned him down and ignore the last phase of nails, He'll automatically do instant wipe hell fire

[Yaichiro]

I think most primals have something similar.

[Esp]

Huakke Manor HM has this too with its last boss. Burn the main boss too quickly and she will absorb the last add at full health, which leads to a instant wipe. Not sure if it's the same in unsync'ed, but many people are fooled into thinking they can burn the boss beforehand in hard mode roulette, and pay the price. xD

[Anova]

The majority of these mechanics are simply another dps check actually. Haukke is learning how to dps the adds down fast enough before the boss eats them. Ifrit is actually a dps check where you dps the nails down (because there is an actual timer for those too).

If anything, the closest to this actual mechanic is ultima hm and the Chrysalis trials. Although it is a heal and tank check, most simply use the tank LB for it. I'm not sure if it's actually less boring than the dps one, which at least has dodge mechanics (although it's a nice change-up if you've been grinding dps stuff).

A second mechanic is actually in some of the dungeons and crystal tower 1 raid. Healers have to keep up specific npcs for those fights. For the new raid, it could be fun for tanks to keep enemies away from Slowfix and Mide as they run around the map tinkering with stuff, or healers keeping an npc up for a barrier against a tpk ability in a raid setting (like a certain dungeon at lv.55).

Also, contrary to popular belief, raids actually have tank and heal checks too. The way you know you've failed one though is not when you die to a flashy tpk ability, but when your healers run out of mp 2 minutes after the mechanic. Kind of a wimpy way to die i know, but that's a healer/tank wipe.

As for a controlled dps fight, that is actually very hard to coordinate. As you are essentially telling dps players to just sit there and not do anything or to stay below a certain threshold of dps (which is hard to optimize unless you're using an illegal parser). It actually lets dps recover resources too while the tanks and healers get worn down, so I'm not sure what the point is compared to simply giving the boss more hp for that phase or have the boss use attacks with a ton of movement mechanics that targets dps and forces them away (preferrably keeping them busy dodging and using sprint, so reduced resources after the mechanic, yay).

[Nurvus]

What if bosses in raid content had effects that triggered if you burned them down to fast? A reverse of an enrage timer used in conjunction with effect encouraging tank swaps, healing bursts, etc. I'm just trying to float ideas about different ways to challenge raids other then DPS checks.

Effects that trigger if you burn them down too fast seems like Hard Modes from Ulduar in WoW.
It's a cool idea, if it also rewards players extra for doing so - not as a "get rekt" penalty.

But reverse Enrage (boss getting easier the more time passes) is a terrible idea.
That'd be the most anticlimatic fight ever...

[Dement]

Another big problem with this idea is overgearing fights. Once you're overgeared, it becomes a lot more difficult to throttle your DPS down. A good example of this that I can think of is the Mog fights, both HM and EX... in HM if your tank/unaware DPS do too much damage to the King in the 2nd phase, he'll start his wipe move early. In EX, if you're doing too much damage, it becomes easier to accidentally off one of the little moogles prematurely.

[Sanguisio]

The old primals have this, wiped on levi and ifrit a few times due to too much dps.

[Cidel]

The old primals have this, wiped on levi and ifrit a few times due to too much dps.

Pretty much this. You can force their trademark attack without having a chance to mitigate the damage by pushing past a certain % too quickly. I don't know all of the exact Primal %s right now, save for Ramuh, who will wipe the group for pushing somewhere past 60%; he literally could have just summoned his Arbiters.