The crafting grind

[Train88]

Didn't know hq mats helped, anyway...

This is the last post i'll make in this thread. I have the master 3 for weaver, leatherworker, goldsmith and carpenter.

The 2 star crafts are not interesting.

Bad glamors at best, the weaver 1 star weaver glamors are more interesting. the 2 star weaver healing body and the 1 star look exactly the same. Item level is 180, not 190. Even if HQed it's not good enough to compare with raid gear. Only interesting thing was the crafting gear and you need the crafting gear to craft it.

I see zero point in making 2 star crafting.

Peace.

[Galactimus]

It really just sounds like a gear problem.

Crafting 4000 collectability hand-in's is almost as easy as synthing two star food in 2.0. You can use the most basic rotations in the world to hit 4000 Collectability.


I'm getting 5100 Collectability on Red Scrip hand-in items just using a generic 100% success macro rotation. No "Good"s, no Hasty Touches, no HQ ingredients, no two star Blue Gear. Its nothing more than 5 Basic Touches and your usual Byregot's Finisher. Progress can be completed with Ingenuity II and four Careful Synthesis. (Just toss in a Waste Not so it doesn't cost 40 Durability.)

If you can't hit 4,000 every time you need to increase your control. Try an FC buff, Seafood Stew, some melding, or a Hasty Touch rotation for higher Inner Quiet stacks. These red scrip hand-ins really are one of the simplest things they've thrown at crafters thus far.

[MN_14]

I don't think the scrip turn ins are supposed to be difficult at all since they're simply normal mass produced crafts. It shouldn't be too hard to reach 100% quality, although if you're using the level 55 gear, you might want to use some HQ materials if your control stat is too low. It also helps if you can increase your CP to around 400 with food.

In general, the turn ins are designed to simply be a routine weekly grind and are considerably easier than previous requirements for master recipe books (1+2), the artisan's mainhands, and the lucis tools.

[ImDingDing]

"Crafting has been my whole game for months now"

I am suprised it took you that long. Took me 2 months for all 1-50 and 10 days for all 50-60 with limited funding and a RL full time job. I can only guess you are in a small server where mats are very very expensive.

And this a MMO, everything is grindy, shouldnt be anything new.

[Gilthas]

I am suprised it took you that long. Took me 2 months for all 1-50 and 10 days for all 50-60 with limited funding and a RL full time job. I can only guess you are in a small server where mats are very very expensive.

The grind isn't in leveling up DoL/DoH, it's when you get to 60 that it gets bad (badly planned mat requirements from 50-60 and bloated recipees nonwithstanding). The effort required to do something as simple as daily GC deliveries is simply stupid. It's a goddamn job now instead of a game.

It's inevitable that MMOs will have some form of grind. But there is also a thing called "too much grind". Gathering and Crafting are far too time-consuming and they were changed to this crap to appease greedy players that wanted SE to push away all of their competition so they could jack up prices on the MB.

Gathering and Crafting should be about players making their own gear with a reasonable amount of effort. It shouldn't be about a small percentage of players draining everyone else out of their gil.

[Aeyis]

"Crafting has been my whole game for months now"

I am suprised it took you that long. Took me 2 months for all 1-50 and 10 days for all 50-60 with limited funding and a RL full time job. I can only guess you are in a small server where mats are very very expensive.

And this a MMO, everything is grindy, shouldnt be anything new.

That's probably because you did it now, when the materials were cheap. Regardless tho, if you did 50-60 in 10 days then you got a lot of spare time.

The problem is that too many people seem to be way too afraid of even attempting favors.

The only trouble is that I botched an Adamantite Ingot craft three times in a row, which is QUITE discouraging, but I'm gonna take a short break and get back to it.

Ofcourse they would be. I just did one set and got 7 materials. Not exactly very promising for the remaining favors. If someone new to favors got a yield like that they would very likely stop doing them at all.

[HakuroDK]

Ofcourse they would be. I just did one set and got 7 materials. Not exactly very promising for the remaining favors. If someone new to favors got a yield like that they would very likely stop doing them at all.

To be fair, that is an extremely rare result, as someone who has been doing favors for weeks now. For a stack of 5 favors, I've seen an average of 12-15 materials, which is more than enough, and sometimes as many as 20, but that is just as rare as a result of 7.

That's like trying to craft endgame stuff, failing to do so, then refusing to do crafting ever again.

If you fall off the chocobo, you have to get right back on.

[Aeyis]

To be fair, that is an extremely rare result, as someone who has been doing favors for weeks now. For a stack of 5 favors, I've seen an average of 12-15 materials, which is more than enough, and sometimes as many as 20, but that is just as rare as a result of 7.

That's like trying to craft endgame stuff, failing to do so, then refusing to do crafting ever again.

If you fall off the chocobo, you have to get right back on.

Its not as rare as you make it out to be. The material types have extremely unbalanced spawning locations. For some the distance between [of one pair] nodes is almost as much as the distance between [of different pair] nodes.

''Oh it only happens sometimes'' That's nice. But that doesnt help anything to restore the morale of someone that did just get few items. RNG (and it having extreme outlayers) is one of the main reasons why not many people do favors.


You also can't just take the cheap way out and call it ''set of favors''. No, you do not get items per ''set of favors''. You get them per favor.

[HakuroDK]

Its not as rare as you make it out to be. The material types have extremely unbalanced spawning locations. For some the distance between [of one pair] nodes is almost as much as the distance between [of different pair] nodes.

''Oh it only happens sometimes'' That's nice. But that doesnt help anything to restore the morale of someone that did just get few items. RNG (and it having extreme outlayers) is one of the main reasons why not many people do favors.


You also can't just take the cheap way out and call it ''set of favors''. No, you do not get items per ''set of favors''. You get them per favor.

Well either I have really really good luck with favors or people try a single favor and complain that they got under the average yield, generalizing the entirety of favors.

...and I'm certainly not taking the cheap way out by using a set of favors. 1 Red Gathering Scrip Token buys 5 favors. That's why I used that logic. On average, you should be getting more than 10 items per set of favors.

If you want to break that down per favor, that's two items per favor that you need to get bare minimum in order to reach the items necessary to get the materials from the splendors vendor. In only one favor out of at least 60-70 favors I have done have I ever gotten only one item out of a single favor. More often than not, I get anywhere between 3-4 items per favor, which is far more than I actually need, so I am able to get as many as three favor-related crafting mats for every two stacks because of that.

People are so afraid of RNG being against them, which is my ultimate point, that the sheer lack of people actually doing favors is causing the entire market to inflate to obscene levels. Because people are too afraid of not getting a full stack of 10 items per stack of favors (or at least 2 items per favor), the price of base materials are in the millions. And I hate that. Even as a crafter/gatherer who takes full advantage of favors, I hate the fact that you can't spend less than 1.5 million on Balmung for a single Adamantite Ingot.

[HakuroDK]

Just to throw my two cents in, the ONLY piece of red scrip gear I have ever purchased was the Millkeep's Saw. That's it. Every other piece of gear I have is crafted from favor mats. Max melded astral birch jewelry, a few extra Craftsmanship materia to meet the cap on certain crafts, and I can 2-star craft on BSM without ever having to touch red scrip gear for BSM.

The problem is that too many people seem to be way too afraid of even attempting favors.

The only trouble is that I botched an Adamantite Ingot craft three times in a row, which is QUITE discouraging, but I'm gonna take a short break and get back to it.