Can we make secondary stats not worthless?

[Velox]

Compared to Primary Stats. They are pretty worthless.

That is the main issue.

They aren't worthless because they actually have some effect. They just aren't "overpowered" which kids these days use as a standard for usefulness. Secondaries are balanced in a way so that a player can pick and choose any combo he wants and still complete 100% of all the game's content. If they were scaled stronger, eventually you'd get to a point where everyone has to have the same stat combinations or else they would be denied partys, further drifting away from build freedom.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

They aren't worthless because they actually have some effect. They just aren't "overpowered" which kids these days use as a standard for usefulness. Secondaries are balanced in a way so that a player can pick and choose any combo he wants and still complete 100% of all the game's content. If they were scaled stronger, eventually you'd get to a point where everyone has to have the same stat combinations or else they would be denied partys, further drifting away from build freedom.

They are for the most part "worthless" sides Accuracy compared to main stats.

Everyone DOES have the same STAT combinations.

This is FF not WoW. Everyone is pretty much the same.

Main stats are almost 10 times better. Which is BAD.

[Niadissa]

While on this topic, I'd really like to see resistances make a come back. (won't happen I know, but doesn't stop me from wanting it)

[SinisterJointss]

Opened thread, seen it was Nektulos, didn't even read.

[Awful]

I'd like to see different stat weights/combos in this game but it won't happen. As for haste being in the game SE stated they said they wouldn't put it in the game as it was overpowered in FF11. They're already balancing this game enough as it is I like the way it is now but as a main tank I don't ever go fending which is sad. I'd rather them see them do something with vit.

[Obysuca]

This is .. not good game design, especially since most of those are required to beat said content.

Just going to be that guy and say, it's not so much required, as it is players want to rush through endgame the day its out >_> SE most likely intended people to gear up in eso first, then tackle it. We already have a huge lack of content to do at 60, so if people waited it out and geared up with eso, by the time they're i200, new endgame will be out and then they can go ahead and complete the current one, get that gear and tackle the new one. It would also extend the life of content, rather than the current trend of "beat it in the first week, now its trash". What sounds more fun? A single endgame with 4 bosses that people completely stop doing in 4-5 months, or wait it out, gear up in eso so you can do it the way its intended and with the time taken to gear up, the next one set of floors will be out, so you can start tackling the first set, gear up and proceed on to do the new set, extending the life of the previous floors, which then you'd have 8 bosses.

[Windklinge]

might add crit defense to tank gear for example. directly counters critchance of mobs. the more the less likely youre getting hit by crits. which can be a huge issue in some fights if the wrong autohit crits at the worst time your tank can die without beeing able to do anything about it because 2 min cd on awareness and not beeing able to tell when next hit will crit. aka fucked by RNG.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

might add crit defense to tank gear for example. directly counters critchance of mobs. the more the less likely youre getting hit by crits. which can be a huge issue in some fights if the wrong autohit crits at the worst time your tank can die without beeing able to do anything about it because 2 min cd on awareness and not beeing able to tell when next hit will crit. aka fucked by RNG.

Crit Defence, Tenacity, Accuracy bla bla, all of those are pretty much the same things. Stuff the developers put into the game to hold people back. Bad game design in my opinion.

[Gilraen]

Everyone DOES have the same STAT combinations.

On this I have to disagree rather substantially. What I've seen is people not going for stats at all, instead chasing max iL. I, on the very much other end, do not. I DO go for stats. I will get the best iL I can... from the gear with the best stats I can find. I have enough accuracy to not miss in all but Savage Alexander, and most pieces I wear has the most crit for it's iL outside of Savage Alexander. I'm still chasing better gear, but better in ways I can use (got the Berinbau only so I can maybe someday beat Bismark Extreme so I can fight Ravana Extreme to get a Hive Bow, which is infinitely better in my opinion, that and there's no telling on if the Berinbau is the seed for Mythic).

Everyone DOES have the same STAT combinations. Due to secondary stats being almost completely pointless outside of accuracy which comes with Ilvl gear anyways.

Guess you don't see the Asuran Eyepatch in my picture, then. That's not a glamour, and it's not being replaced anytime soon. It has the best crit stat outside of Savage Alexander, and I have no plans of tackling that raid. Again, I don't chase iL for iL's sake, I chase better stats. If it has better iL it's just a happy side effect.

Append: Yes, PvP gear does have better crit. It also needs a certain level of PvP rank and alot of marks. Two things I do not have in any real supply. I don't really care for PvP and it's not really all that important an endeavor to the game at large.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

On this I have to disagree rather substantially. What I've seen is people not going for stats at all, instead chasing max iL. I, on the very much other end, do not. I DO go for stats. I will get the best iL I can... from the gear with the best stats I can find. I have enough accuracy to not miss in all but Savage Alexander, and most pieces I wear has the most crit for it's iL outside of Savage Alexander. I'm still chasing better gear, but better in ways I can use (got the Berinbau only so I can maybe someday beat Bismark Extreme so I can fight Ravana Extreme to get a Hive Bow, which is infinitely better in my opinion, that and there's no telling on if the Berinbau is the seed for Mythic).

Everyone DOES have the same STAT combinations. Due to secondary stats being almost completely pointless outside of accuracy which comes with Ilvl gear anyways.

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That was my point. More Ilvl (besides crafted gear.) means more base stats, more stats means more base stats like strength, vitality, dexterity. That means more power. Main stats are so much better then secondary stats getting 2-3 more points means more then anything else. Which means there is no point, everyone is the same.

Main stats are so much better then the secondary stats the secondary stats are almost completely ignored now making everyone pretty much the same.

On this I have to disagree rather substantially. What I've seen is people not going for stats at all, instead chasing max iL. I, on the very much other end, do not. I DO go for stats. I will get the best iL I can... from the gear with the best stats I can find. I have enough accuracy to not miss in all but Savage Alexander, and most pieces I wear has the most crit for it's iL outside of Savage Alexander. I'm still chasing better gear, but better in ways I can use (got the Berinbau only so I can maybe someday beat Bismark Extreme so I can fight Ravana Extreme to get a Hive Bow, which is infinitely better in my opinion, that and there's no telling on if the Berinbau is the seed for Mythic).
Guess you don't see the Asuran Eyepatch in my picture, then. That's not a glamour, and it's not being replaced anytime soon. It has the best crit stat outside of Savage Alexander, and I have no plans of tackling that raid. Again, I don't chase iL for iL's sake, I chase better stats. If it has better iL it's just a happy side effect.

The PvP gear has better crit.

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