Parsers and Problems

[Zeonx]

Please answer our question. Why are tanks and healers held accountable for failure to do their jobs but DPS aren't if a DPS race is the cause of a wipe?

You are all responsible for what you do, there is no favorites in a group, either it works or it don't a parser does not tell you the skill level.

Its like in FFXI a person could buy a account with the best gear max stats, it does not make him the best player.

A person with low DPS could be better than you even if you played right even if you dodged right and he did the same doesn't mean the next boss fight you won't fumble up you put your faith in a tool instead of your own experience, you're not a gamer then if you let the game play you. If you have to use a program to get the job done that's pretty sad.

If I fail that just makes me a better player because I can accept it, then try again until its correct, I don't need a program to show me that like you all do.

[Odett]

You are all responsible for what you do, there is no favorites in a group, either it works or it don't a parser does not tell you the skill level.

Its like in FFXI a person could buy a account with the best gear max stats, it does not make him the best player.

A person with low DPS could be better than you even if you played right even if you dodged right and he did the same doesn't mean the next boss fight you won't fumble up you put your faith in a tool instead of your own experience, you're not a gamer then if you let the game play you. If you have to use a program to get the job done that's pretty sad.

A parser can tell you HOW MUCH DPS EACH PERSON IS DOING. A parser does not play the game for you. It's a TOOL THAT MERELY COLLECTS THE DATA PRESENTED IN THE BATTLE LOG. A parser can show you who's not pulling their weight DPS wise and if DPS checks aren't being met, then you know WHY. If you are constantly wiping in a fight at the same point due to a DPS check, then SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. I'm not sure how clearer this can be conveyed to you.

No one is picking on you, so you can drop the victim complex. We're trying to show you just how grossly misinformed you are. It's clear to see that you do not know what you are talking about. By the way, you didn't answer the question.

[Odett]

If I fail that just makes me a better player because I can accept it, then try again until its correct, I don't need a program to show me that like you all do.

How do you know how much DPS you're doing, then? How do you think that the people who came up with the best rotations arrived at their conclusions?

Failing a DPS race consistently has nothing to do with dodging or any of what you're talking about. Failing a DPS race consistently and thinking you'll get it next time by not changing anything is best compared to repeatedly smashing your head against a 6-inch-thick cement wall and thinking you're going to break through.

[hagare]

Show me exactly where I said I was the only one paying a subscription, when I've been saying others pay a subscription fumbling your words?

you're the one who keeps saying someone has the right to play how they want while only looking at it from one side.

So lets attack the guy who doesn't like it, I am not attacking you, only telling you that's how you use it just to abuse it. every player including you has a right to play this game.

how are you not attacking people? You're throwing around accusations that people only use parsers JUST to abuse it!

though if a person is dodging fine and you all are dying and you guys say well you arent helping dps is too low thats why I die then you are in the wrong.

how can you tell who needs to improve if everyone does the mechanics perfectly but keep failing the DPS check?

from my previous post. answer that.
an example would be in Bismarck EX, No one died, mechanics were done perfectly, we couldn't get past the snakes DPS check.
we didn't know how to improve because everything was done perfectly except the DPS check. What do you do now? disband?

Maybe if you learn to dodge instead of watching the parser and complaining about dps you'd be able to win your fights its like that saying keep your eye on the ball "to give your attention to what you are doing all the time " not what someone else is doing you might crash and burn that's your fault nobody elses. take responsibility

^here's another example of you attacking people with baseless claims.
You don't even know how people use parsers.

If I fail that just makes me a better player because I can accept it, then try again until its correct, I don't need a program to show me that like you all do.

How? How are you gonna know what you are lacking in?
When you've done the mechanics perfectly but still fail to meet the DPS check?
Please enlighten us.

[OPneedNerfs]

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Doing the same exact rotations and expecting to be able to clear DPS checks when you failed before.

Of course this does not include the possible fact that another DPS in the group is playing at their 150%.

[ShaneDawn]

sbip

How does pulling mechanics wrong and not even having decent dps make one better than a person that consistently does both right? No one is letting the parser play the game for them. People are taking the time to learn the best rotations by spending hours on a dummy or doing small adjustments to the fight. Parsing doesn't make anyone good by default, but it gives you objective facts about your progress and how you fare against others.

And no, I would argue that anyone who actually takes the time to gitgud is a better player in general, but that's just me. I don't understand how being ignorant makes anyone better than someone going out of their way to get better.

I'm not trying to be mean here, but your ideals sound very absurd to me. And the very fact how you're shooting everyone who doesn't agee with you as wrong when we're talking about opinions and experiences here is not helping your case.

[ShaneDawn]

And btw, I agree with the party being equally responsible for clearing an instance, but doesn't that just mean that everyone wants to do their best to succeed?

Let me use an example. A certain fight has a strict 5k dps check for dps players alone. We have 3 dps player doing 1,3k+ dps. We have one dps at around 800. We'll be missing about 300 to clear the check. Would you rather ask the people already overexerting to do an extra hundred, or ask whether there's something the fourth one can do better? Or would you disband the party, get the low dps again, and keep bashing your head to the wall?

Personally I would hate to be the fourth person and not know I'm underperforming, but that's me. Most people would be happy to get carried through everything and anything.

[Zeonx]

how are you not attacking people? You're throwing around accusations that people only use parsers JUST to abuse it!

I've seen it first hand in party's, where someone say's they are using a parser that the person is being out damaged but the fights are doing okay and this person begins battering the person putting them down talking mad crap until the other one defends himself and says, we are doing a good job and then they get kicked?

Sounds almost like you are trying to make parser sound great for the game and maybe that's not how you use it but other's do and by your logic its okay because you don't use it like that.

Its not that I am attacking, its telling you what I've experienced from people using those parser's.

^here's another example of you attacking people with baseless claims.
You don't even know how people use parsers.

Again the next time I am in a party and notice I am going to bring that here to show you how people use the parser's then we'll talk about baseless claims. I'll snap a photo or record it on my ps4 and slap it on youtube.


You know what I think, I think you are trying to convince SE that nobody uses the tool wrong that because you use it the correct way others do also.

Which you are saying my comments are baseless shows me that clearly, Why would I make things up like this, I have nothing to gain, I mean the tool is not allowed to begin with why would I lie, if the tool was allowed im sure more than just me would be complaining cause after a while I am sure it would get out of hand not just what i seen.

So keep trying to convince SE its okay from what I seen it gives people attitudes and a god complex.


I have no problems with none of you but the program I do I am glad its not allowed I hope it continues to stay this way I mean that training dummy or whatever they are adding wont help you im sure you gonna still ask for it.

Though about your baseless comment to me, I've seen so many people attacking others who use a parser and like i said they start off by putting into a corner until they respond back I am the one who says hey now we are doing fine the guy says this guy is so and so a cuss word this and that piece of beep cuss cuss cuss then kicks my vote is no but if I were the guy I would report.

like i said though you might not be like this but please don't try to convince SE that someone isn't using it like that.

I mean cmon.


Oh and about the snakes, like I said why would you need a program to win the fight that's my question to you.

I am pretty sure people have done it perfectly without it, whats the problem that you need this tool so bad or you can't do it without it or something?

I am done talking about parser's for now but like I said, if I run into cussing and putting down i'll be sure to record it each time or take pictures and post them for you and I'll show you baseless okay? peace bro.

[hagare]

Sounds almost like you are trying to make parser sound great for the game and maybe that's not how you use it but other's do and by your logic its okay because you don't use it like that.

only you are saying that.
parser is a tool, and like all tools there are many ways to use it.
I'm sorry that all your experiences are terrible, because I've never been treated that way by anyone using it.

You know what I think, I think you are trying to convince SE that nobody uses the tool wrong that because you use it the correct way others do also.

most people want parser, because to them the good outweighs the bad.

Oh and about the snakes, like I said why would you need a program to win the fight that's my question to you.

I am pretty sure people have done it perfectly without it, whats the problem that you need this tool so bad or you can't do it without it or something?

no one, NO ONE! ever said that parser is a program to win!
it helps to know why you can't get pass the DPS check. Who is lacking, who is not.
of course if been done perfectly, after they disband and get other people to do it with them.
leaving the one who might under performing without help and unable to clear.
unless of course that's your kind of solution, screw this party, I'll get another one that can help me clear.

I am done talking about parser's for now but like I said, if I run into cussing and putting down i'll be sure to record it each time or take pictures and post them for you and I'll show you baseless okay? peace bro.

post those who don't cuss you as well, after all they might be parsing too.
or do you assume only jerks parse?

PS: I'm done with you

[Ashkendor]

I've seen it first hand in party's, where someone say's they are using a parser that the person is being out damaged but the fights are doing okay and this person begins battering the person putting them down talking mad crap until the other one defends himself and says, we are doing a good job and then they get kicked?

Sounds almost like you are trying to make parser sound great for the game and maybe that's not how you use it but other's do and by your logic its okay because you don't use it like that.

Parsers would be great for the game for a lot of reasons that people have already explained, but you seem unwilling to listen.

I'm sorry that you've had such awful experiences, in any case.

Its not that I am attacking, its telling you what I've experienced from people using those parser's.

Again the next time I am in a party and notice I am going to bring that here to show you how people use the parser's then we'll talk about baseless claims. I'll snap a photo or record it on my ps4 and slap it on youtube.

And that proves exactly what? A parser doesn't make you an asshole, but unfortunately assholes can use parsers like the rest of us.

Multiple people have said that multiple times across multiple posts now.

You know what I think, I think you are trying to convince SE that nobody uses the tool wrong that because you use it the correct way others do also.

I think that you're trying to convince SE that since a few people use the tool wrong, everyone will.

I guess we're back to the analogy about outlawing hammers.

like i said though you might not be like this but please don't try to convince SE that someone isn't using it like that.

The question isn't whether or not someone is using it like that. You keep insinuating that everyone uses it like that. I have a parser running pretty much 24/7 because otherwise I forget to turn it on when I want it to be running. It runs in the background and I honestly don't pay any mind to it the majority of the time. If things seem to be dying more slowly than usual or we're running into a wall on a DPS check, I'll go look at it. Most of the time even if someone is underperforming, I don't say a thing to them.

Oh and about the snakes, like I said why would you need a program to win the fight that's my question to you.

You keep coming back to this strawman of "needing a program to win the fight". Parsers don't do the fight for you.

All they do is sort the information from the battle log into a more readable format.

I am pretty sure people have done it perfectly without it, whats the problem that you need this tool so bad or you can't do it without it or something?

I am done talking about parser's for now but like I said, if I run into cussing and putting down i'll be sure to record it each time or take pictures and post them for you and I'll show you baseless okay? peace bro.

The vast majority of people asking for an ingame parser have experience with at least some endgame material (X primals, coil, alex savage) and know how much of a benefit it can be. It helps immensely in any fight that has a hard DPS check involved. I mean, I've landed in Duty Finder groups that can't even make the DPS check on Faust in A1 normal. Currently, the people that are having problems with low DPS (whatever the reason may be, low gear, bad rotation, not paying attention, etc) either get kicked without telling them why or the group just disbands. How does that help them? Making the DPS information available ingame would give some solid, tangible data for people to show them to prove that they need to improve if they want to get anywhere.

Not to mention it could give you a baseline of what your DPS should be. If you go into a dungeon as a monk and you're doing 300 DPS but the other monk is doing 1200, you know it's either time to upgrade some gear or go research your rotation. Nobody's saying that having low DPS is free license to treat other players like shit, but there's a point at which you have to stop molly-coddling them. There's much nicer ways to break to someone that their DPS is subpar than cursing at them or telling them to "gitgud" (neither of which are constructive). We can help each other get better at the game and still be civil to each other.

If people that are underperforming think they're doing fine and nobody tells them otherwise, they'll never know that they aren't. If they don't know that they're coming in subpar, how are they supposed to go about improving?