Parsers and Problems

[KarstenS]

having low DPS is not disrupting you as a player

If its gonna be a wipefest over and over again, because of that low DPS player, this player is disrupting me.

But as we can see: You don't want to understand.

[Sapphic]

I can say the same to you, it doesn't entitle you to use a parser to judge people just for low dps.

When players cannot meet DPS requirements for content and thus cannot clear, then yes, it is disrupting my play and everyone else in the party that are making an effort to clear the content. The onl;y difference a parser would make is in showing where the problems are. DPS player 1 and 2 may be doing over whats needed, whereas DPS 3 and 4 are doing under the minimum required to clear. A parser will allow the rest of the party to fix the problem and either help the underperforming players or replace them. The underperforming players will know exactly why if they get replaced and any sane person will try to fix that so they no longer get replaced. NO ONE goes into content with the intention to fail.

How does one persons subscription outweigh the combined subscriptions of the rest of the party if that one person is disrupting the others gamplay by underperforming to the minmum standard required to clear content?

Also, I'll ask again. Would you keep an underperforming tank who keeps losing aggro and cannot be bothered to get it back, which causes the party to wipe? Would you keep a healer who doesn't heal enough to keep players alive, so party dies and wipes? So what makes DPS so special that they can underperform and not be held accountable?

Also viable reason for kicking underperforming players is difference of playstyle. There playstyle is playing badly. Player dispute, thus fine with the vote kick rules.

Also I've stated before, and others have too. players are ALREADY being kicked from parties for bad gameplay. With a parser DPS will know exactly why they are getting replaced. Also it would act as a wake up call to no, they are not playing to the minimum required to pass said content. With that wake up call we may actually see less whine posts demanding things get nerfed. Or less need for content getting Echo buffs.

In before, I main as MNK, and doesn't matter if I'm with static progressing on Alex Savage or with random players in Duty Finder, I play to my best to contribute towards a fun and succesful run for everyone. Levelling NIN which I hadn't touched since I got to 50 many months ago, I didn't touch DF until I got comfortable with the rotation again and was performing adequetly.

[Odett]

I can say the same to you, it doesn't entitle you to use a parser to judge people just for low dps.

that's why SE doesn't want to give it to you, what you are saying right now is the point I am making, you think you are entitled but not others.

What makes you better or anyone for that matter than someone else?

What is a subscription for to play the game, having low DPS is not disrupting you as a player, the only reason you know this is because of your parser, if you didn't have it, you wouldn't know thus you can't put the blame on anyone and that's exactly what im pointing out.

Exactly the reason I hope square does not allow this to happen in game your way of thinking is bad for the game.

To me I play to have fun, if a person messes up oh well, stand up do it again and beat it, I don't complain and how you ever going to expect someone to get better if you all keep kicking people out.

Yet you say get better and they can't you guys are really something you know that? elitist what you gonna do.

Your first point applies to you as well, you know. You're as entitled to play poorly as your group is to kicking you. How is having low DPS not disrupting runs? Have you ever heard of a DPS race? If a group is dying during a DPS race and one person is underperforming, then that is totally disrupting a run. Whether you had the parser or not, you would STILL WIPE, but having a parser allows you to get an idea of what's wrong due to low numbers, and deal with a situation accordingly instead of disbanding the entire group.

Having fun and playing well are not mutually exclusive, by the way. I have more fun with people that play well clearing content than being stuck with a group of people dying to the same mechanics/phases of a fight over and over again and answering with "just stick to your job" when given advice.

You've mentioned that you've gotten kicked from groups before. How many times have you gone on YouTube or visited the DPS forums and read a guide pertaining to your job? You seem to think that DPS players pulling their own weight is a luxury rather than a requirement. Someone else said this before and I'd like an answer to the following question. If a tank is playing poorly, it is noticeable and the group will wipe. If a healer is playing poorly, it is noticeable and the group will wipe. What gives you a free pass as a DPS?

[ShanaShirayuki]

Also, I'll ask again. Would you keep an underperforming tank who keeps losing aggro and cannot be bothered to get it back, which causes the party to wipe? Would you keep a healer who doesn't heal enough to keep players alive, so party dies and wipes? So what makes DPS so special that they can underperform and not be held accountable?

Cannot stress this enough, point has appeared multiple times in the DPS forums thread.

[Ashkendor]

Also, I'll ask again. Would you keep an underperforming tank who keeps losing aggro and cannot be bothered to get it back, which causes the party to wipe? Would you keep a healer who doesn't heal enough to keep players alive, so party dies and wipes? So what makes DPS so special that they can underperform and not be held accountable?

You've mentioned that you've gotten kicked from groups before. How many times have you gone on YouTube or visited the DPS forums and read a guide pertaining to your job? You seem to think that DPS players pulling their own weight is a luxury rather than a requirement. Someone else said this before and I'd like an answer to the following question. If a tank is playing poorly, it is noticeable and the group will wipe. If a healer is playing poorly, it is noticeable and the group will wipe. What gives you a free pass as a DPS?

Take all of my likes! I seriously hate this double standard. I can't fathom going into DF and not doing my best no matter what my role is. I usually tank or heal, but I enjoy playing DPS too. It's nice to have less pressure on you sometimes! Any time I get a class to 60, if I'm going to be playing it at all I either go research on google or "phone a friend" and pick their brain about the job.

Now that I think about it, it's funny how nobody in the anti-parser crowd ever has an answer for this question.

[Sapphic]

Now that I think about it, it's funny how nobody in the anti-parser crowd ever has an answer for this question.

They seem to conveniently ignore that question because they don't have an answer which would support their view on not having parsers.

[hagare]

What is a subscription for to play the game, having low DPS is not disrupting you as a player, the only reason you know this is because of your parser, if you didn't have it, you wouldn't know thus you can't put the blame on anyone and that's exactly what im pointing out.

You keep throwing around the word subscription as if you're the only one paying for them. Don't forget that everyone who plays FF14 pays the subscription, including the people you're playing with that keeps failing DPS checks because you can't meet the DPS requirement.

and not knowing where the problem originates from does not mean that the problem doesn't exist.
low DPS in a DPS check content is disruptive.
How are you gonna clear the DPS check if you can't meet it?

To me I play to have fun, if a person messes up oh well, stand up do it again and beat it, I don't complain and how you ever going to expect someone to get better if you all keep kicking people out.

how can you "stand up do it again and beat it" if you keep failing at DPS checks?
is it fun for the rest of the party who gets held back by the person who can't meet the DPS requirement?
how can you tell who needs to improve if everyone does the mechanics perfectly but keep failing the DPS check?

Yet you say get better and they can't you guys are really something you know that? elitist what you gonna do.

why can't they?
if they can get better, then of course they won't be kicked.
but if they can't, is it fair that 7 people is held back by the 1 person who as you said it, can't get better?
and how can they get better if they don't know they have a problem?

[Zeonx]

You keep throwing around the word subscription as if you're the only one paying for them.

Show me exactly where I said I was the only one paying a subscription, when I've been saying others pay a subscription fumbling your words?

I think a GM should shut this thread down, parser's are already against the rules, all this is doing is causing fights it should be locked.

One thing is for sure, all of you are ganging up on me because its a fact and you hate it, cause if it wasn't a fact then why doesn't he allow your third party tool? why do you get temp banned for using it if reported?

So lets attack the guy who doesn't like it, I am not attacking you, only telling you that's how you use it just to abuse it. every player including you has a right to play this game.

Yes if a person is running into monsters not fighting right or trolling yeah I agree kick, though if a person is dodging fine and you all are dying and you guys say well you arent helping dps is too low thats why I die then you are in the wrong.

Maybe if you learn to dodge instead of watching the parser and complaining about dps you'd be able to win your fights its like that saying keep your eye on the ball "to give your attention to what you are doing all the time " not what someone else is doing you might crash and burn that's your fault nobody elses. take responsibility

[Odett]

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Please answer our question. Why are tanks and healers held accountable for failure to do their jobs but DPS aren't if a DPS race is the cause of a wipe?

[KaijinRhada]

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People are just saying that as much as you have the right to play how you want, others do as well and if a player's playstyle impinges on the enjoyment of the majority of a group, they have all the right to remove said player, be it for blocking progress or all other valid reasons. If a person isn't pulling their weight while the other seven people are, they are within their rights to vote kick them, just as you are able to initiate a vote kick on others for a myriad of reasons.

If you get kicked for low DPS at present, you won't know now since parsers are all hush hush. Regardless of one being introduced or not, the only difference is that in one scenario a low DPS has zero idea of why they were removed, while in another there's a pretty good indication as to the reason they were vote kicked in that situation.

Quoted for clarity.