Parsers and Problems

[ForbiddenMonk]

I apologize, I may have jumped ship for saying aggro ranking is same as dps ranking. Let me correct myself. Aggro ranking for melees are dps indicators.

[loreleidiangelo]

I apologize, I may have jumped ship for saying aggro ranking is same as dps ranking. Let me correct myself. Aggro ranking for melees are dps indicators.

DRGs have Elusive; NINs have their Smokescreen thing.

You are wrong on every account except MNK, which can be expected considering it seems to be your main, but please don't spread misinformation.

[ForbiddenMonk]

so you're telling me, a dps ripping aggro from Tank mid fight is not the top dps atm?

Also, I may not be a dragoon, but Im pretty sure elusive jump is barely used in end game raids other than skipping adds on t10 and getting back to melee ranged asap (a3s). So if a dragoon is using elusive jump to lower his enmity, it means his dps is pretty high to be on brink of ripping aggro from tanks. I dont have a ninja in my static, so I don't know anything about their skills and uses.

[loreleidiangelo]

so you're telling me, a dps ripping aggro from Tank mid fight is not the top dps atm?

You might; you might not be. If the DRG popped Elusive during their opening burst they could be topping you even if you steal, just because Elusive is a 50% instant enmity drop.

[ForbiddenMonk]

again, if they have to use elusive jump to prevent ripping aggro, very high chance that the dragoon is top single target dps atm.

Really though? Elusive jump in the opening rotation? now you're talking crazy

[hagare]

again, if they have to use elusive jump to prevent ripping aggro, very high chance that the dragoon is top single target dps atm.

DRGs use elusive jump more for movement rather than for the agro drop.
like you said, moving between add packs in T10,.
Getting back to the group after you get away for thunder in T11.
Got nothing on T12 mostly because melee is pampered there :P
Add phase in T13 going from bahamut to add or vice versa, elusive jump + dive/dragonfire covers a lot of ground fast.
Shiva extreme, to get to shiva when the floor is ice and other jumps are on CD.
Bismarck extreme, changing snakes when your debuff changes.
Ravana extreme, elusive jump away at prelude so you can DPS longer, and other moments.
eh you get the gist

so you're telling me, a dps ripping aggro from Tank mid fight is not the top dps atm?

more of a tank problem unless the DRG got really lucky with crits in opening/burst phase.

and again agro meter is not representative of DPS, because DPS is not the only thing that creates agro.
Not even for melee after NINs get their smokescreen stuff.
and you don't always pay attention to it, you might see the DRG 2nd right when you start fighting the boss, but then you focus on boss and didn't notice the DRG using elusive jump, and now the NIN is 2nd in the agro meter. Does that mean the DRG is doing less DPS than the NIN now? Maybe, maybe not.

agro meter is simply that, a tool to measure agro.

[ForbiddenMonk]

From all my experiences in end game raids, the correlation between aggro rankings and dps output are very high. When I say aggro rankings, I mean the final aggro rankings. I have not encounter a situation where I was ahead of another player in aggro but still lost in single target dps. Again, aggro ranking is a GOOD INDICATOR of dps output, meaning it gives you a relative perspective on dps output but not an exact perspective.



Read: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...5/blog/798362/

[Deviant1]

so you're telling me, a dps ripping aggro from Tank mid fight is not the top dps atm?

I would say yes, considering that the top DPS could have used quelling strikes to mitigate enmity. SMN can also be top DPS without being at the top of the hate list since a portion of their combined damage is from two sources. Not even to mention scenarios whereas there are multiple mobs so the tank doesnt focus on just that one target. Even a good tank can fumble their rotation and lose hate.

With so many reasons that dps can get hate, to think it is exclusive of their dps is ego driven and has very little basis in reality.

Personally, i am all for parsers. Especially if it is from SE, since they can properly track the DOT effects and all the other little things that the external parsers mess up on.

I have to question though for those who are against parsers: Is it that you dont perform your best on purpose, is it a lack of skill or are we not supposed to notice that your wasting our time spirit bonding instead of using the best gear you have???