Parsers and Problems

[melisande]

That's... not really how music works. It's very mathematical actually. You can get pretty far by ear, but after a while you really need to learn some basic music theory if you want to keep getting better. You picked a very poor analogy. Or maybe you accidentally picked a really appropriate analogy since most of what was wrong with it translates to why you're wrong about parses. Who knows?

Brain and eyes can get you pretty far. But if you want to really optimize, then that's where parsers come in.

Maybe you should listen to some Beethoven who came up with some of the most mathematically complex music to this date, and he was deaf. Nice try though?

[melisande]

No, it shows that it is intuitive. You can think of your rotation as a piano itself, the rotation can be changed and optimized however you see fit, and as you know is extremely situational. No single rotation is correct. Every song would sound exactly the same if that were the case. Beethoven wrote his own music, he didn't write it from reading other peoples "rotations" or "compositions", or by analyzing his "spectrals" of his music (which at the time they did not have the technology for spectral analysis).

[Malevicton]

No, it shows that it is intuitive. You can think of your rotation as a piano itself, the rotation can be changed and optimized however you see fit, and as you know is extremely situational. No single rotation is correct. Every song would sound exactly the same if that were the case. Beethoven wrote his own music, he didn't write it from reading other peoples "rotations" or "compositions".

Not really "however you see fit" though. You need to adapt to mechanics, but not every reaction is equal. There actually are single correct rotations for certain situations, especially as it approaches a dummy fight.

All in all, it doesn't matter. A parser would just be an affirmation of your intuition. Just because you play a piano part without sheet music doesn't mean you couldn't put it into sheet music (in fact that would never be true). Every intuitive piece of music can be articulated on sheet music, and every rotation can be parsed.

Can we please ditch the music analogy from here? I really don't feel like you have a solid understanding of how music works.

[melisande]

Not really "however you see fit" though. You need to adapt to mechanics, but not every reaction is equal. There actually are single correct rotations for certain situations, especially as it approaches a dummy fight.

All in all, it doesn't matter. A parser would just be an affirmation of your intuition. Just because you play a piano part without sheet music doesn't mean you couldn't put it into sheet music (in fact that would never be true). Every intuitive piece of music can be articulated on sheet music, and every rotation can be parsed.

Can we please ditch the music analogy from here? I really don't feel like you have a solid understanding of how music works.

Music is math my friend. That is all I have to say, and you can continue on with your rant about why parsers are necessary.

[Malevicton]

Music is math my friend. That is all I have to say, and you can continue on with your rant about why parsers are necessary.

So it's not intuition? Because you've been saying it's intuition...

I'm so done with these forums, but I keep coming back for some reason. Will they ban on request or do I have to make a scene?

[Malevicton]

Maybe you should listen to some Beethoven who came up with some of the most mathematically complex music to this date, and he was deaf. Nice try though?

near-deaf. It got worse as he aged but he could generally hear himself if he listened closely (especially for his earlier works), which is why he was always awkwardly bent over the instrument. and wouldn't that just show that music theory is just as (if not more) important than going by ear? Because your analogy was going the opposite way...


From http://www.todayifoundout.com/index....rote-music-2/:
"All of Beethoven’s achievements above were done—as far as we can tell—with quite good hearing. This soon changed. Starting around 1796, we have references of Beethoven mentioning in letters hearing “buzzing noises,” but it wouldn’t be until 1801 when we have documented evidence that he had been gradually going deaf."