Parsers and Problems

[Lux_Rayna]

I could get behind the parser crowd if they were honest about why they want it. All this talk about "bettering the community" is nauseating. You want a parser to single out and kick "bad" dps. Just say that and move on. Its not as if a parser will make a bad dps good, so stop acting as if itll help them.

The issue here is that bad is relative, especially when youre using arbitrary numbers to make that determination.

[Ryel]

I could get behind the parser crowd if they were honest about why they want it. All this talk about "bettering the community" is nauseating. You want a parser to single out and kick "bad" dps. Just say that and move on. Its not as if a parser will make a bad dps good, so stop acting as if itll help them.

The issue here is that bad is relative, especially when youre using arbitrary numbers to make that determination.

I can honestly say i wouldn't straight kick a player for bad DPS in 90% of content, i would however attempt to point out that they were under performing if it was to the detriment of the 7 other players in the run trying to clear content and try to offer suggestions to improve.

If after suggestions for improvement are made and the player in question either refuses to improve or is simply unable (once again to the detriment of the 7 other players attempting to clear content) then at that point i would probably try to find a replacement, no different than anyone can do now with an under geared tank who keeps dying or a healer who is unable to keep up with the healing requirements of an encounter.

So why is it acceptable to do so in the case of a tank or a healer but not in concern to a DPS?

[Verius_Nox]

I could get behind the parser crowd if they were honest about why they want it. All this talk about "bettering the community" is nauseating. You want a parser to single out and kick "bad" dps. Just say that and move on. Its not as if a parser will make a bad dps good, so stop acting as if itll help them.

The issue here is that bad is relative, especially when youre using arbitrary numbers to make that determination.

I could get behind the people against parsers crowd if they were honest about why they don't want it.

Accept the fact that some of us actually do want tools for the community so they can perform better at their chosen role. The more people who can play decently well, the more pick up group runs that go smoother with less bickering and more relaxed atmospheres.

As for the notion that a parser doesn't make a bad dps good, the majority of the people whom I have known over the years have only gotten better at being a DPS when I introduce them to a way to measure themselves.

[Sapphic]

I could get behind the parser crowd if they were honest about why they want it. All this talk about "bettering the community" is nauseating. You want a parser to single out and kick "bad" dps. Just say that and move on. Its not as if a parser will make a bad dps good, so stop acting as if itll help them.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Doesn't make it true though.

[Coatl]

I could get behind the parser crowd if they were honest about why they want it. All this talk about "bettering the community" is nauseating. You want a parser to single out and kick "bad" dps. Just say that and move on. Its not as if a parser will make a bad dps good, so stop acting as if itll help them.

The issue here is that bad is relative, especially when youre using arbitrary numbers to make that determination.

People already kick and single out bad DPS for being bad. Lest you forget, PC players already have parsers available to them through 3rd party means. Some people are jerks, and they will be use whatever tools in their possession to make people feel bad. No arguments there.

But please consider that console players have no access to parsers and therefore have no way of telling whether they are doing bad or good. Although it might not be a minority that you personally care about, you cannot deny that it would help DPS that play on console tremendously.

[Ashkendor]

I could get behind the parser crowd if they were honest about why they want it. All this talk about "bettering the community" is nauseating. You want a parser to single out and kick "bad" dps. Just say that and move on. Its not as if a parser will make a bad dps good, so stop acting as if itll help them.

The issue here is that bad is relative, especially when youre using arbitrary numbers to make that determination.

I bet you'd kick a tank that didn't keep his enmity above the "arbitrary number" of "higher than the DPS/heals".

I bet you'd kick a healer that didn't keep the party's HP above the "arbitrary number" of zero.

The numbers aren't arbitrary when you're talking about things like enrage mechanics. The only people I see not wanting parsers are people that would rather no-worries button-mash on DPS than have some actual freakin responsibility to the other people in the party. That's just it though - we already take care of it if the content isn't getting cleared. Enough people already use parsers that horrendous DPS frequently find themselves kicked. The problem stems from the fact that right now they generally have no idea why they were kicked so they do nothing to improve. We can't confront them because we use third party software for parsing. Given a choice between risking a ban and some randie you'll never see again not knowing why he got kicked, it's obvious which one people will take. An ingame parser makes it so there is irrefutable evidence that awful DPS are doing something wrong.