Parsers and Problems

[LaylaTsarra]

which allows us filter by DMG dealt at the end of the match.

At the end of the content wouldn't bother me although that could still be embarrassing to friends who aren't performing at a high damage level. It's the ability to do it during the match that really bothers me.

It's a game and whether we like it or not everyone isn't going to perform to an optimum level to satisfy some. That should be no reason for them not to be able to queue for DF and play and have to be at the mercy of others as to whether or not they are vote kicked or trash talked. There is too much room for abuse in my view and I don't believe a mechanism for excluding others should be an official part of the game.

Let people see what their damage is on a personal level so they can compare it to an official average as well as high numbers for their class so they can take steps to improve. I'm all for that but not as a mechanism for abuse which I do believe will happen. It will only turn people off who will eventually quit the game.

[Twilite]

You know Layla, I think you and I are the only ones that feel that way. At least of the ones that actually visit the forums.. There are darker days ahead and we're already in dark days as it is.

[LaylaTsarra]

You know Layla, I think you and I are the only ones that feel that way. At least of the ones that actually visit the forums.. There are darker days ahead and we're already in dark days as it is.

Things have changed especially since Heavensward. Personally I'm here to have fun especially with friends and I'm not afraid of my DPS numbers although frankly being on a PS4 I don't have access to them. This forum isn't a litmus test for the community. I think it's personally skewed given many casual players just don't visit here.

I suspect SE knows the score and to be honest I'd be very surprised to see group parsers included in DF content. Losing users to abuse isn't in the long term interest of the game.

[AlphaSonic]

And do you think the problem are the DPS? And what about the healers and the tanks that have to deal with them? It's so fair having 0 responsibilities while the healer and the tank have to carry that group, DPS making that boss fight so long that the healer is starting to MP starving...

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Honestly, the same discussion continues over at the DPS forums. And just as I said there, we're all quite aware of what can possibly go wrong. Why don't we instead look at what might go right?

Where would any reasonable, responsible player NOT benefit from a tool that simply would allow players - individually - to know exactly how well they are/aren't performing, and perhaps learn to improve?

It's late; please go read the "Real Problems with Parsers" topic in the DPS section. Many good points are made there.

[Nightray]

I hate parsers and don't want them. FF14 was voted as most accessible mmo for people with disabilities in 2013 because 14 is for everyone to enjoy, not just the few leets that want everyone to be as "good" as them. If people just embraced tolerance for us lowly casuals or others playing with different circumstances we could all get along. As long as 3rd party software remains against terms of service, i'll report anyone using a parser near me.

[LaylaTsarra]

Where would any reasonable, responsible player NOT benefit from a tool that simply would allow players - individually - to know exactly how well they are/aren't performing, and perhaps learn to improve?

This! Perfect. Hope you're listening SE.

[AsteriaStarfall]

So why not make the parser available but only show up on end game extreme fights? Seeing as how that is where the majority of dps checks are it would make logical sense that extreme could have a parser and that "more accessible" content as the poster above said can go parser free.

Lets just be honest for a moment and assume that a lot of end game raiders run the 3rd party tools anyway. If you are not running end game you have almost no use for one.
As a player that came over from WoW as a guild master for 4 years. Skada (a dps/hps parser) was critical to raid leading and seeing where things had to be improved. You get to be the best when you are given the tools to do it.

[Nightray]

Leadership qualities are something a parser cannot and will not give to everyone with access to a parser.

[Colorful]

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Sorry to hurt the feelings of those people with disabilities, but if you're not playing to the level that the content requires, you honestly shouldn't be doing that content at all. If it was solo, sure, but otherwise you're wasting 7 other people's time. Doing poor DPS in a dungeon? I couldn't care less, not even slightly. Do 0 DPS, as long as we get through it I don't care. Come into a PF group of something like an extreme primal and demand to be carried because you're incapable of pushing out the required DPS is selfish and nothing else.