Parsers and Problems

[Twilite]

I've been saying occasionally that dummy parses aren't impressive because you're not gonna come close to that amount in a fight with movement needed..

[melisande]

What is this strange perception that a parser is 'necessary'? Just play the game and learn your rotation. Saying a parser is necessary is like saying Guitar Hero is necessary to learn guitar. Simply LEARN the rotation. Use your EYES. Play the game. A lot. You will learn and build upon your rotation, and a parser wont help you do that, its something that is intuitive, and comes to you as you play your job more.

[Malevicton]

What is this strange perception that a parser is 'necessary'? Just play the game and learn your rotation. Saying a parser is necessary is like saying Guitar Hero is necessary to learn guitar. Simply LEARN the rotation. Use your EYES. Play the game. A lot. You will learn and build upon your rotation, and a parser wont help you do that, its something that is intuitive, and comes to you as you play your job more.

It'd be more like saying being able to hear what you play is necessary to learn guitar. Which is still technically isn't. Deaf people can play music. But it's much easier if you can hear yourself.

Which is also all people are saying. No one has said a parser is necessary, you're making that up to argue against an easier point. We're all just saying that it's helpful information with no real downsides.

[dank1]

What is this strange perception that a parser is 'necessary'? Just play the game and learn your rotation. Saying a parser is necessary is like saying Guitar Hero is necessary to learn guitar. Simply LEARN the rotation. Use your EYES. Play the game. A lot. You will learn and build upon your rotation, and a parser wont help you do that, its something that is intuitive, and comes to you as you play your job more.

Who says its necessary?
As others have said, it's a tool.

We all know its not necessary considering all the casuals clear content without it, but trust me when it comes down to raid content EVERYONE uses it.

Personally I don't care if we get one or not, I already have one, I'm just here to discuss and point out flawed the nay sayer's mentalities are.
Would it improve my overall quality of life in game when I'm pugging? Definitely.
Dps can only benefit from this tool, those who wont are the ones who dont care to begin with.

[Ashkendor]

What is this strange perception that a parser is 'necessary'? Just play the game and learn your rotation. Saying a parser is necessary is like saying Guitar Hero is necessary to learn guitar. Simply LEARN the rotation. Use your EYES. Play the game. A lot. You will learn and build upon your rotation, and a parser wont help you do that, its something that is intuitive, and comes to you as you play your job more.

I don't think anyone's come out and said that a parser is necessary. Plenty of people have said that it's a useful tool, though. People that use parsers are generally the type of people that like having more information about things. Our character stats grow and change, and it's much easier to make adjustments to your rotation (and know if those adjustments are beneficial) if you can parse the damage you're doing. It can help you with equipment as well, as far as choosing which secondary stats are most beneficial. Do you think the optimal rotation was just suddenly a thing that everyone knew how to do? People most likely sat there for hours with parsers going over different rotations and seeing which was the best for them.

[AureliusC]

i think its amazing howmany people only look for the bad in this. DCUO had one in its game. it was essentially like what pvp has, it shows total dmg in and out for every person, healing in and out, etc

yes people got kicked for being too low, and i saw it happen but 8/10 times the group tried to remedy the problem before they kicked said person.
i truly see no reason not to have something in the game that useful. to me its like not showing health bars because "someone will be kicked for being hit too much" or something that nonsensical.

eliteists will kick people yes. but 70% of them already have parsers, and already kick underperforming people because none else can refute what they say because only they can see the supposed parse.

if youre underperforming, then find someone that knows what theyre doingand see if they will help you figure out a better rotation. or use this magical thing that youre using right now to look your class up and see if theres a better way

[melisande]

[QUOTE=Ashkendor; I don't think anyone's come out and said that a parser is necessary. Plenty of people have said that it's a useful tool, though. People that use parsers are generally the type of people that like having more information about things. Our character stats grow and change, and it's much easier to make adjustments to your rotation (and know if those adjustments are beneficial) if you can parse the damage you're doing. It can help you with equipment as well, as far as choosing which secondary stats are most beneficial. Do you think the optimal rotation was just suddenly a thing that everyone knew how to do? People most likely sat there for hours with parsers going over different rotations and seeing which was the best for them. [/QUOTE]

No. You are arguing that " Do you think the optimal rotation was just suddenly a thing that everyone knew how to do? People most likely sat there for hours with parsers going over different rotations and seeing which was the best for them." That is simply not true. I am a BLM since 1.0 launch, i have learned and fine tuned my rotation by simply using my brain and my eyes. Like I said, its something that is actually intuitive and simply comes from playing the game istelf, a lot like an instrument, a very linear one at that (like a piano). You can read tablature or sheet music all day long for reference, but when it comes down to it, it's really your own intuition, and musical inclination.

[Malevicton]

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That's... not really how music works. It's very mathematical actually. You can get pretty far by ear, but after a while you really need to learn some basic music theory if you want to keep getting better. You picked a very poor analogy. Or maybe you accidentally picked a really appropriate analogy since most of what was wrong with it translates to why you're wrong about parses. Who knows?

Brain and eyes can get you pretty far. But if you want to really optimize, then that's where parsers come in.

[melisande]

That's... not really how music works. It's very mathematical actually. You can get pretty far by ear, but after a while you really need to learn some basic music theory if you want to keep getting better. You picked a very poor analogy. Or maybe you accidentally picked a really appropriate analogy since most of what was wrong with it translates to why you're wrong about parses. Who knows?

Brain and eyes can get you pretty far. But if you want to really optimize, then that's where parsers come in.

Maybe you should listen to some Beethoven who came up with some of the most mathematically complex music to this date, and he was deaf. Nice try though?