Parsers and Problems

[Colorful]

Parsers should be allowed for personal use but not for group evaluation in my view. A training area sounds awesome and one where one can compare their performance against a leader board (without user names/id's).

I see nothing wrong with them adding the ability to parse in a Party Finder party. If they finally get around to finishing the Addon API (they said they're going to work on it more since HW UI things are done), it's going to happen anyway, even in DF.

[LaylaTsarra]

I see nothing wrong with them adding the ability to parse in a Party Finder party. If they finally get around to finishing the Addon API (they said they're going to work on it more since HW UI things are done), it's going to happen anyway, even in DF.

I get that impression that many like them. Personally I'm opposed to it for party use and hope it never becomes an official part of the game but then that is what makes the world go around. We'll just have to wait and see how it turns out.

[repoe]

Personally I'm opposed to it for party use and hope it never becomes an official part of the game but then that is what makes the world go around. .

i understand why some folks are against it being available for party use- Trash talk, etc; allowing all users to get their parse data in actual content even if its similar to PvP results, which allows us filter by DMG dealt at the end of the match. people would be able to tell how good they are doing, or in the case of a BIZ ex clear i was helping FC mate with... how bad they are doing. i200 weapon and every attempt kept pulling under 300. my friends were pretty chill about his low dps and stayed quite since he was a friend of a friend.. but we sure did tell our mutual friend to inform him of how bad he is doing and to read up on his job.
either way.. anyone with a smidgen of common sense knows.. dummy dmg test vs actual content are two different things completely. Faust excluded.

[LaylaTsarra]

which allows us filter by DMG dealt at the end of the match.

At the end of the content wouldn't bother me although that could still be embarrassing to friends who aren't performing at a high damage level. It's the ability to do it during the match that really bothers me.

It's a game and whether we like it or not everyone isn't going to perform to an optimum level to satisfy some. That should be no reason for them not to be able to queue for DF and play and have to be at the mercy of others as to whether or not they are vote kicked or trash talked. There is too much room for abuse in my view and I don't believe a mechanism for excluding others should be an official part of the game.

Let people see what their damage is on a personal level so they can compare it to an official average as well as high numbers for their class so they can take steps to improve. I'm all for that but not as a mechanism for abuse which I do believe will happen. It will only turn people off who will eventually quit the game.

[Sapphic]

It's a game and whether we like it or not everyone isn't going to perform to an optimum level to satisfy some. That should be no reason for them not to be able to queue for DF and play and have to be at the mercy of others as to whether or not they are vote kicked or trash talked.

If you think players arent already being kicked for low performance without official parsers then you are deluding yourself. Main difference having parser support will show those who get kicked, why they got kicked. Most of the time it is pretty obvious, just watch a casters rotation, melee watch their buffs and debuffs. aka, MNK not using fists of fire even when told numerous times. DRG not using heavy thrust, dots etc.

eg without parser:
Myself and another Monk in DF. I'm averaging 1200 DPS. The other MNK is averaging 350, tank is averaging 500 dps. But due to my DPS and tanks things die fast so the other MNK thinks hes fine. Also is not receptive to any tips due to them thinking they are doing good.

With official parser support that MNK will see that they are MASSIVELY behind me and even behind the tank DPS wise. Any sane, rational person will realise they are doing something wrong, and hopefully start to look at their gameplay. I would happily give tips in that scenario because there would be proof that they need advice.

Also no-one cares outside of savage if players are not optimal. If they are playing at least at a level to clear the content and not be carried by everyone else (aka a massive disparity like I highlighted prior). Then it will be ignored. The problems are when content is NOT being cleared.

Withholding an important tool. yes, it is important due to the enrage DPS checks in end game. Because a small number MAY abuse it is selfish towards the majority. Also, if they added official parser support it won't suddenly stop players being able to report abusive players just like now. So, if someone is abusive, use the system and report them.

[Twilite]

I see nothing wrong with them adding the ability to parse in a Party Finder party. If they finally get around to finishing the Addon API (they said they're going to work on it more since HW UI things are done), it's going to happen anyway, even in DF.

I guess it's time for me to hang it up then.