Parsers and Problems

[Elazu]

The only people against parsers are the ones that would be at the bottom of them. They should affect people, tbh. It's unfair that tanks and healers can be called out for doing bad, but you aren't allowed to hurt a DPS's feelings, because reasons.

[Asmodai]

Guess what will happen if this idiotic suggestion were carried out:

1) A certain forum that poisoned the FFXI community will post these parses in a stickered "Do not invite" thread.

2) Job discrimination will become far worse due to intellectually lazy sheep swallowing whatever the elitists put on the forums.

Group parsers is the absolute LAST thing this game and community needs.

Everyone that would use a parser already is. They just dont say anything to you, they just replace you if they dont like your dps. If you think that the teams that have cleared savage are not using parsers you are 100% wrong.

[Colorful]

Guess what will happen if this idiotic suggestion were carried out:

1) A certain forum that poisoned the FFXI community will post these parses in a stickered "Do not invite" thread.

2) Job discrimination will become far worse due to intellectually lazy sheep swallowing whatever the elitists put on the forums.

Group parsers is the absolute LAST thing this game and community needs.

Naming and shaming isn't allowed on this forum from what I can recall, and other forums can still do so. Parsers are available already, and SE can't do anything if a player decided to post a parse of a stranger on a 3rd party forum. Regardless of that, the amount of people that post on the 1st party forums amounts to less than 5%, 3rd party forums? Likely less than 0.5%, wouldn't even make an impact.

Job discrimination is only a thing because parsers aren't available to the masses. If a MCH is in your party and you fail a DPS check, guess who the ass that's pulling less than 300 DPS is going to blame, that's right the MCH. People can't exactly disagree with him, and because of the stigma associated with that class they might even be kicked (though it's not as bad now as it used to be). With a parser people will actually be able to prove that they can pull the weight. I see no reason to be against parsers unless you (by you, I mean everyone who dislikes the idea of a parser so much) happen to not be pulling your weight in difficult trials/raids, or want those that don't to get away with it for whatever reason.

[dank1]

Naming and shaming isn't allowed on this forum from

Job discrimination is only a thing because parsers aren't available to the masses. If a MCH is in your party and you fail a DPS check, guess who the ass that's pulling less than 300 DPS is going to blame, that's right the MCH. People can't exactly disagree with him, and because of the stigma associated with that class they might even be kicked (though it's not as bad now as it used to be). With a parser people will actually be able to prove that they can pull the weight. I see no reason to be against parsers unless you (by you, I mean everyone who dislikes the idea of a parser so much) happen to not be pulling your weight in difficult trials/raids, or want those that don't to get away with it for whatever .

Bravo for this.
+3827262 for you sir.

Definitely not fair when you have somebody shit talking you 90% of a run when theyre performing under you, the arrogancy and ignorance of some players who claim to be casuals is astonishing, specially when they decide to pretend to be pros

[loreleidiangelo]

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I'm starting to think people like you are the last thing this community needs, who vehemently reject tools and information out of some kind of irrational exclusion paranoia. Nearly every thread within which you spew has you calling people who analyze any sort of information as "bean counters" who are always looking for ways to "discriminate" against the "casual players".

These forums have some of the highest anti-skill sentiment I have ever seen. If you are even remotely capable you are a "no-lifer" and if you prefer to consort with people who value that same competence in themselves you are an "elitist". If you even abstractly express a wish for a tool that would allow the community to better itself you are constantly sneered at with the non-rebuttal, "it's just a game; I play to have fun".

As though people who want an in-game parser, who remove underperforming players from farm parties, and who clear the highest level of raiding content with reasonable speed don't also play to "have fun". /eyeroll

On topic, a personal parser is a step in the right direction, though it won't solve the majority of problems that groups face. At worst, you'll have to go through the hassle of everyone posting screenshots of their individual parse values after every wipe in a farm party, which depending on your game interface (ie, PC vs. console) may not be so easy to provide. If you don't provide that info, you'll likely be replaced anyway, so I don't see much value in such a thing.

A dummy parse isn't bad, because while it is not indicative of actual encounters it still demonstrates whether or not a player has a basic grasp of the button sequences required to succeed at their chosen role. I don't think a player that pulls a perfect or near-perfect rotation on a dummy would be significantly impaired by boss mechanics...at least not to the extent that it would cause a group of equally-as-skilled players to wipe. I'd actually prefer a dummy parse over a personal one that displays after every encounter, mostly because the latter would lead to a lot of complications.

Obviously, what I would TRULY prefer is that everyone put on their big kid britches and rally for an actual in-game party parser that displays DPS for every encounter to be implemented. But I'd accept alternatives, as it would at least give motivated players the tools to try and better themselves.

[Ryel]

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[graudon]

Lemme say my point. Community is really good in this game when u compare with other game communities. If we loose that we will be missing a big part of our ff14 family. I know we need parsers addons etc. But putting it on every piece of content will rekt up this community thats why I said putting it as a sub option or maybe just making it avaible for only savages etc. is the only good option coz other contents are simply good without a high DPS. Only thing that needs to be parsed is savage for me right now coz thats the point u really need to know and care what you are doing. Ofc u guys can say trials like ravana has DPS tests also (shield part) but its not that hardcore and a casual dps numbers with a nice group can handle it there will be no nead for a parse in that.

[Ryel]

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I can understand the sentiment here, but community issues are community issues and cases of harassment and bad player attitudes are ones that should be handled by the forum moderators and in-game GMs.

It should never ever be the case were concerns about the community are walls that prevent the game from taking positive steps forward in development, especially where it concerns tools that allow your players to become better at the game.

Allowing players to see their numbers and share accordingly through in-game means actually allows for more community development and discussion, you can see a lot of this already if you take a look at the job forums where things are posted like optimal rotation guides and BiS gear discussion etc, these are the building blocks that allow a community to actually form and flourish, to say that there will be an overall detriment to players as a whole is like trying to ban stopwatches from a track and field meet, or calculators in a math class.

There are already players who will use anything they can to harass others in game, report them and allow the GMs to handle those cases, but trying to shield the community from useful tools does not build a strong and productive playerbase nor does it paint a proper picture of the type of content that needs to be developed in the long run.

[Lux_Rayna]

I could get behind the parser crowd if they were honest about why they want it. All this talk about "bettering the community" is nauseating. You want a parser to single out and kick "bad" dps. Just say that and move on. Its not as if a parser will make a bad dps good, so stop acting as if itll help them.

The issue here is that bad is relative, especially when youre using arbitrary numbers to make that determination.

[Elazu]

I hate parsers and don't want them. FF14 was voted as most accessible mmo for people with disabilities in 2013 because 14 is for everyone to enjoy, not just the few leets that want everyone to be as "good" as them. If people just embraced tolerance for us lowly casuals or others playing with different circumstances we could all get along. As long as 3rd party software remains against terms of service, i'll report anyone using a parser near me.

"I'm casual" seems like a pretty bad excuse for being terrible at the game. There's nothing that stops a casual player from being good.