Parsers and Problems

[zcrash970]

@AlphaSonic

That's not what i said at all.

I said this game is meant to be accessible to everyone, giving people the tools to further exclude individuals from content they are paying to access is wrong, people can and do clear content without parser because they practice, parsers create pissing contests out of team content. It isn't difficult to see if someone needs to improve without a parser being used. Those 7 people are free to form a static with an 8th and do the content until everyone is up to scratch, rather than just using a parser, degrading someone and then ditching and replacing them.

It's funny that you assume that everyone that uses parsers will inherently use it to "degrade" another player. You do realize that makes up a very tiny part of the player base, right? Not saying it will not happen but it will happen far less than you think.

Also, it is hard to improve without some kind of feedback. Unless you have someone that knows your class well and he/she is watching you and giving you tips or you are doing a parse by hand, you are not going to learn anyways that you can improve.

Oh, by the way, it is easy to tell who is holding back a group even without parsers. They are removed from groups with or without numbers.

[Assirra]

@AlphaSonic

That's not what i said at all.

I said this game is meant to be accessible to everyone, giving people the tools to further exclude individuals from content they are paying to access is wrong, people can and do clear content without parser because they practice, parsers create pissing contests out of team content. It isn't difficult to see if someone needs to improve without a parser being used. Those 7 people are free to form a static with an 8th and do the content until everyone is up to scratch, rather than just using a parser, degrading someone and then ditching and replacing them.

Actually, the very notion of dps checks disagree with your first point. You need to have some standards, bosses don't fall over themselves.
Parsers are just a tool, the same as chat. But we don't remove chat in DF to avoid insults right?

[Waliel]

Actually, the very notion of dps checks disagree with your first point. You need to have some standards, bosses don't fall over themselves.
Parsers are just a tool, the same as chat. But we don't remove chat in DF to avoid insults right?

We did remove whispers for that reason, though.

[Eidolon]

We did remove whispers for that reason, though.

And the masses have hated this decision ever since. The complete inability to speak privately with friends, or to maintain lines of communication with prospects and having to choose between sociality and duty have come up more times than I care to mention.

This is further augmented as a bad decision by the fact that now... any time someone seeks to help another? They basically have to call them out in party chat. I feel this only makes people far more defensive and feel like their being exposed, causing what amoutns to 'dirty laundry' in party chat.

You think that blocking tells prevents harassment? No, quite the opposite. It just makes it visible to everyone. A questionable benefit because I can tell when people are being **** to others.

In the end, to me, the decision to block whispers during dungouns was the WORST decision SE has ever made.

[Nep_Nep]

-peeks into thread-

I'd just like a personal one. -on ps4- I wouldn't share mine. I'm curious and I want to know if I'm doing stuff right At least with one I'd know if I'm stepping in the right direction whenever I try to improve and adjust my rotation. Maybe they could make like a /parse command that displays only your dps on screen or something and make some rule where its your choice to share it or not.

Just my thoughts. hahaha
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[mp-please]

You don't need a parse to know if dps is being bad. When you're on stuff such as faust NM, have both healers dpsing and manage to get to enrage, you know kicks need to be ensued.

[sirDarts]

You don't need a parse to know if dps is being bad. When you're on stuff such as faust NM, have both healers dpsing and manage to get to enrage, you know kicks need to be ensued.

And how do you know WHO is not pulling their weight?
Yes, you know that DPS is bad, but there is no way to tell which of them is without a parser.

[mp-please]

And how do you know WHO is not pulling their weight?
Yes, you know that DPS is bad, but there is no way to tell which of them is without a parser.

That's what people that are against parsing don't think about. When it comes to exclude people, parse pinpoints the problem straight out. Meanwhile without a parse you have to take guesses or exclude every single dps which usually leads to the full disband of the party.

I actually wished i was parsing when the example i gave above happened, because when you have cleric on the whole fight, call out the dps is low and get a "what do you know about it? you only heal" is annoying.

[ForbiddenMonk]

And how do you know WHO is not pulling their weight?
Yes, you know that DPS is bad, but there is no way to tell which of them is without a parser.

The trick I use on the ps4 is to look at aggro rankings on party list. If you're hitting enrage, obviously the lowest aggro ranked dps is the issue


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You can also tell if your top dps is pulling low numbers by the aggro percentage. If the aggro gauge for the player 2nd on aggro list is less than half, then that means they're also pulling low numbers. And if healers are ahead of dps on aggro, then all dps are shit

For example, in my static, the dragoon and I are always behind MT in aggro, with the gauge at +80%. The dragoon has a parser, I dont; but I can tell whether or not Im top dps by our aggro rankings.

I support the idea of personal parsers, where you can only see your numbers.

[loreleidiangelo]

The trick I use on the ps4 is to look at aggro rankings on party list. If you're hitting enrage, obviously the lowest aggro ranked dps is the issue


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I support the idea of personal parsers, where you can only see your numbers.

I feel bad for any non-MNK DPS in your groups if you are the one in charge of replacing the "lowest DPS".

Can we please just abolish the whole "aggro is DPS" myth altogether? It's not an indicator of any performance but tank performance, and it never will be.