Parsers and Problems

[Kemas]

I hate parsers and don't want them. FF14 was voted as most accessible mmo for people with disabilities in 2013 because 14 is for everyone to enjoy, not just the few leets that want everyone to be as "good" as them. If people just embraced tolerance for us lowly casuals or others playing with different circumstances we could all get along. As long as 3rd party software remains against terms of service, i'll report anyone using a parser near me.

Really hope you stick to fates for levelling instead of imposing your "any dps is good dps" mentality in a game where dps is arguably the main mechanic. And God help the rest of us.

[AsteriaStarfall]

So why not make the parser available but only show up on end game extreme fights? Seeing as how that is where the majority of dps checks are it would make logical sense that extreme could have a parser and that "more accessible" content as the poster above said can go parser free.

Lets just be honest for a moment and assume that a lot of end game raiders run the 3rd party tools anyway. If you are not running end game you have almost no use for one.
As a player that came over from WoW as a guild master for 4 years. Skada (a dps/hps parser) was critical to raid leading and seeing where things had to be improved. You get to be the best when you are given the tools to do it.

[Nightray]

Leadership qualities are something a parser cannot and will not give to everyone with access to a parser.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Seriously, please go read that topic. The disabilities argument was made. And I rebutted that one too.

Outside of where a disability might directly impair someone's ability to play this game, it is NOT, and should not be an excuse to NOT try to do well or improve.

And that's all the pro-parser side really wants: Improvement. For ourselves, and for those who want to improve. A parser will not magically change someone with no desire to improve or play better at all, just like rules and getting reported wouldn't stop those who would abuse it anyways. Don't like parsers? That's fine. But please don't use cynicism, disability, or a lack of desire to improve as valid counter-argument to what would otherwise be a VERY useful tool.

[Nightray]

@AlphaSonic

That's not what i said at all.

I said this game is meant to be accessible to everyone, giving people the tools to further exclude individuals from content they are paying to access is wrong, people can and do clear content without parser because they practice, parsers create pissing contests out of team content. It isn't difficult to see if someone needs to improve without a parser being used. Those 7 people are free to form a static with an 8th and do the content until everyone is up to scratch, rather than just using a parser, degrading someone and then ditching and replacing them.

[AlphaSonic]

@AlphaSonic Snip.

That's not true, do you know how many times i ran Bismarck Extreme as a healer in party finder and we couldn't reach phase 3 because we didn't reach enough DPS? Lots of times. No one had a parser so we didn't know what we were doing wrong and sorry but after 3/4/5 wipes maybe we should consider what's happening to those DPS that can reach optimal DPS. Maybe it was 2 people underperforming and the other 2 were fine. That's demoralizing for those 2 DPS that did well and the healers that managed to heal everything until phase 2 enrage, and the tanks that switched mobs. Feeling impotent because you don't know your DPS and you don't how to improve it.

And if you are so scared about their abuse. Just do the same you do when you get a teammate that insults you.
Moreover all people who play here pay for our content. Why shouldn't I be able to enjoy finishing Ravana Extreme if I perform optimally. If you (people) are so scared about the truth of your DPS... Well it's your problem, it's not my problem if this forum have a lack of self-esteem and they are so scared about being told the truth.

If the truth is told rudely, then you can report them. If it is told politely, why should you complain if you are the one underperforming?

Edit: When I say you I mean plural people.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I said this game is meant to be accessible to everyone, giving people the tools to further exclude individuals from content they are paying to access is wrong

I ask you this then: How is Lootmaster, Company Chest access, Vote Kick, or Party Finder any different from a parser in that case? All of those can be just as equally abused.

Let's PLEASE move beyond the argument that "Parsers can be abused or used to exclude people" once and for all. PLENTY of well established, community-accepted tools and features already exist in game already that can be abused. Sometimes they are, but most times they are not.

Or are we all so untrustworthy as players that we simply can't have nice things? Really, take a moment to give that due thought.

[Nightray]

I ask you this then: How is Lootmaster, Company Chest access, Vote Kick, or Party Finder any different from a parser in that case? All of those can be just as equally abused.

You're not wrong that those existing tools can be used to exclude or abuse people but that isn't fair reason to add another one. Want to put out max damage? Don't need a parser to tell me that you need to learn your optimal rotation, use your cooldowns appropriately, deal with mechanics when necessary and dodge. And a parser won't solve any of that, only practice and trial and error will.

[KarstenS]

Don't need a parser to tell me that you need to learn your optimal rotation, use your cooldowns appropriately, deal with mechanics when necessary and dodge. And a parser won't solve any of that, only practice and trial and error will.

What do you think how optimal rotations got figured out? And these are for a trainings dummy.

For every encounter its needed to make modifications for getting optimum output.

Both things are not possible without knowing the numbers. For trial and error you need the numbers to be able to compare them.

[sirDarts]

You're not wrong that those existing tools can be used to exclude or abuse people but that isn't fair reason to add another one. Want to put out max damage? Don't need a parser to tell me that you need to learn your optimal rotation, use your cooldowns appropriately, deal with mechanics when necessary and dodge. And a parser won't solve any of that, only practice and trial and error will.

1) Actually it's REALLY hard to figure out YOUR optimal rotation without a parser. While there usually is an optimal rotation for a given job, you might not be able to pull that one off perfectly, and do a better job with a different rotation that better suits your skill/capabilities/the fight.

2) WAY too many people DON'T know that they are not performing to their max capability. They think they are OK. And since there are always at least 2 DPS in any group content, it's super easy to put blame on the other(s). These people have no way to know they are doing bad.

3) NOBODY normal cares about the lacking performance of any of their team members, AS LONG AS the content is getting cleared. Your tank loses agro, but you still manage to kill without dying? Nobody normal will say a word. Your healer dies or lets someone die, but you still clear? Nobody normal will say a word. The DPS is low and the fight takes long, but still gets cleared? Nobody normal will say a word. And those that are not normal will cry no matter if they have a parser or not, they will just attack 2-4 people instead of 1 if the DPS is low. Nothing really changes.

And as was already said, if your "performance" hinders the progression of the party. Be it because you fail mechanics, because you lose agro, because you can keep up with healing, or because you can't pull your weight as DPS. YOU SHOULD NOT BE is said content till you get better, or get better gear.