Parsers and Problems

[ForbiddenMonk]

[QUOTE=Eidolon;3314090]Sure there is.

Everyone else died and was resurrected

Thats a cheap shot

But still their aggro dropped because their dps dropped

[Ashkendor]

Seriously?
Apparently Im being too vague. Lets take t13, there is no way in hell a dps can finish the encounter with 10dps and still be high on aggro ranking on BOSS aka Bahamut.

Im speaking on the dps class and its aggro, not any other class

If a DPS finished the encounter with only 10 DPS, I'm assuming they spent 90% of the fight licking the floor. If it's a farming party, hopefully someone has the good sense to kick them out of it. To be fair, I did hear a rumor that floor tastes like strawberry.

If you'd chosen a less hyperbolic example, I probably wouldn't be responding so facetiously. :3

[Eidolon]

So you're telling me its absolutely possible to parse at 10 dps as a dps for the entire savage encounter and still be high on aggro

since dps and aggro are apples and oranges right?


PROVE IT

See, no one's really saying they're 100% seperate, but they are moreso saying that it's a one-way street.

It's possible to have High DPS and Low Aggro (Depending on what you consider 'low')

It's not possible to have Low DPS and High Aggro, unless you're a healer/tank.

That's exactly, unrestricted, what they are trying to explain. I do agree - if no one is using their Threat Reduction, /and/ you don't have a SMN/MCH to compare against, the aggro is a good way to gauge how much DPS someone did. But if the BLM is out-DPS'ing the Dragoon, uses Quelling Strikes, and the Dragoon never uses Jump? The DRG will naturally have more threat than the BLM (and not all fights can be optimized using Elusive jump for movement, so there's a number of situations where this happens to me.)

[KaijinRhada]

Good, so don't use aggro to determine your DPS.

[Zeonx]

I don't like parser's never have since how people use them.
A lot say no they want to improve and help them, that's a big lie in itself, your idea of helping and improving is kicking, also why would people help if they don't want to explain a fight then direct them to youtube.

I have seen the person die who had the parser blame a person, first by putting them down over and over until the person says something like worry about your own job, then they kick them, then when replaced still dies and then wants to blame someone else, once this happened in my cousins party he see's someone using parser talking down on party he boots them continues and wins fight, cause he don't want no drama he just want to finish the dungeon not hear some dude talking about how someone is low DPSing and the put downs.

I could see this game falling apart if they actually allowed this, cause then people would attack and kick and most of those players would probably start making set party's or quit cause of the drama.

I don't know how many times I have seen it, I even been kicked several times even if I have beaten the fight before without problems or know the dodging guy said your dps is 10 less than mine then he kicked me, when the healer wasn't able to dodge either the guy who accused me.

I look up his name found how both were in same FC and yeah so they chose me to pick on, I flag up and what do you know we win.

Other than that I see it all the time people attacking who use parsers and I hope that SE never allows it inside a party so that people can really abuse it.

[KarstenS]

I don't like parser's never have since how people use them.
A lot say no they want to improve and help them, that's a big lie in itself

When raid content is current and fresh, its needed to situational optimize the DPS output. Thats not possible without knowing the numbers. Working through the battle log is also not an option, as long DoT and HoT ticks are missing. And it would be slow. Very slow.

As long you are lacking in experience with current raid content, you don't know what is a lie and what not. So you should not call out stuff, you don't have the knowledge about.

You can ask as many raidgroups as you want. You will not find a single group, that finished at least A1S and don't use parsers.

[KaliAurion]

Eh...Some people use parsers for their own personal gain (me), some people use it to help others, some people use it to belittle others. It's the same as being in a position of power. How it's used is dependant on the person in said position.
And as stated before it's pretty useful for raiding for a few reasons. I personally wouldn't mind seeing an in-game parser, but I might be biased since I'm confident with the numbers I pull on my DPS and tank jobs.

[hagare]

I don't like parser's never have since how people use them.
A lot say no they want to improve and help them, that's a big lie in itself, your idea of helping and improving is kicking, also why would people help if they don't want to explain a fight then direct them to youtube.

people who don't want parsers implemented are those who are too lazy to play their best and just wants to be carried.

see, I can also make untrue generalizing statement.

[Zeonx]

Yeah that's you, I am talking about others who agree with me.

What you all fail to understand is as long as there are people like me who don't want a in game parser there will be no in game parser and I am not talking about the training one they are going to be releasing.

I am talking about the one you guys use to judge people on how they play, some people would agree with me on this subject but I am done explaining cause I don't want to say something that might get one of you upset and report me on forums and try to get me temp banned.

Cause some people get bent out of shape even for small things like this. So cya.

[Sove92]

What you all fail to understand is as long as there are people like me who don't want a in game parser there will be no in game parser.

Are you for real? There are people who didn't want old content nerfed and it still happened.

They paid their subscription and is allowed to fight that fight, he got into the fight because the requirements were met.

With this mentality, vote kick should also be removed, because you know, that troll you wanted to kick has paid their sub as well. Sorry but this comment fails so hard it's unbelievable it was even used. No one can stop you from accessing certain content, that's what you have paid for, it's just that players have the right to choose who they play with.

That mentality is like demanding a world-tier group to take you in their group because you have paid for the content and are entitled to play it.