Parsers and Problems

[Syrehn]

Seems to me that, as we get further and further into the game's life-cycle, and more and more content - including the most extreme - is being cleared without need of an official parser to do so, that the idea of one being necessary becomes less and less convincing, while the idea of one - for anything other than purely personal training/tracking purposes - seems more and more redundant.

The player base has proven, and continues to prove,that it doesn't need a DPS meter to complete content. To try and argue that it does is really pretty silly. It's a 'want', at best. It's definitely not a "need".

You are deluding yourself if you believe that the most extreme content is being cleared without a parser. No dedicated progression team worth their salt would be working on the most extreme content without one.

While I don't necessarily agree with putting a parser into story mode/duty finder dungeon content I absolutely believe it should be available as an optional official tool for raid content.

[Ryel]

Seems to me that, as we get further and further into the game's life-cycle, and more and more content - including the most extreme - is being cleared without need of an official parser to do so, that the idea of one being necessary becomes less and less convincing, while the idea of one - for anything other than purely personal training/tracking purposes - seems more and more redundant.

Even if this were true (it isn't) any player that looks up BiS guides for gear stats, optimal rotations for their job, or even battle strategy and encounter guides for tackling content is indirectly benefiting from the results of someone using a parser, in fact you can go as far as to say that the job forums on this very site probably wouldn't hold any worthwhile (debatable) information at all if it weren't for the testing and posts of players who are using parse programs, which has been the case in pretty much every MMO since the concept of beating on monsters with weapons.

To insist it's needed is really pretty silly at this point. It's like someone at a track saying "to clear these hurdles, we need to know exactly how high we have to jump", meanwhile, people are behind them, doing trial attempts, and ultimately clearing them... without knowing the exact height ahead of time.

Actually it's more like someone on a track team trying to improve for the hundred meter dash, asking their coach for their run time and getting shrugged shoulders as a response because they neglected to bring a stopwatch.

It's only needed when theres a benchmark of performance that needs to be met, coincidentally a large number of endgame encounters have strict DPS checks that expect you to meet that level of performance.

[AoiEleanor]

I have to say I totally agree with having the personal parser on target dummies or something of the like to give people a very general idea of how they doing. I believe they are adding in something like this in future and it was mentioned already in this thread.

I also want to say that I agree with a personal, NON postable, NON linkable "dps meter" for any Duty. I think its important that people can improve on their own personal dps without being harassed by other players, because lets be honest more players then not harass other people with the current parser in game. I have healed numerous groups and watched as people berated one another over something so stupid. Mind you I did report them but that doesn't take away the awful experience that the person being put down had to go through. It happens a lot more then most people will acknowledge.

Anyways I am sure various opinions like this one have already been expressed in some form but I wanted to have my own put out there.

[KaijinRhada]

People saying DPS and rotations are overrated. Oh, save me...

You will learn and build upon your rotation, and a parser wont help you do that...

Actually a parser will help you do just that, it won't, however, do the job for you. It's not necessary, but how can you say that more data isn't helpful? Now, that point quoted would be accurate if the parser just interpretive danced at you, but it gives you numbers as you go along in an encounter and shows where you may be slumping or spiking or doing consistent/inconsistent DPS.

[Kazumac]

I don't give a crap about not having it in DF but an option for preformed parties would be extremely helpful. Personal parser for target dummies is only part of the solution. Seeing a breakdown of an actual fight and being able to collaborate with team mates is an invaluable tool. Leave it out of DF sure, I mean nothing in DF has an actual dps check of any consequence at this point. I also don't care how randoms in my group are doing as long as we finish.

[rappa]

We don't need a personnal dummy dps tracker. Players who haven't any interest to learn a rotation will not waste theirs time going there.

A raid parser will show how is going the dps, healing and damage mitigation. Parser is knowledge.
Once you know your rotation is not going well, you have two options, learn or pray for help to finish content.

Parsers let good partys via PF don't disband because 1 player is underperforming. Bismark is the more recent content where bad dps could ruin a good group. Friends or party members, in this case, they'd recommend him a good rotation, don't spam one ability, use dots, etc.

All of us search diversion and fun encounters. Some players argue "i play as i want", "create your own elitist group", "my dps is Gud, you are the bad". We are working together to clear a content, why are you wasting our time? Our time is the same. If you want fun with zero improvement or spamming one ability, just create your own party. Oh...wait, if you put in a clear party 4 dps underperforming, tanks losing aggro and healers spamming aoe heals when not needed. Do you gonna clear the content?

No, then why do you want be the carried guy?

[Waliel]

So it's not intuition? Because you've been saying it's intuition...

I'm so done with these forums, but I keep coming back for some reason. Will they ban on request or do I have to make a scene?

They're so fun to read for exactly that reason above.

[OJ191]

imo IF they make a DF parser it should be only in content with tight DPS checks and only if you aren't meeting those checks by a significant margin multiple times in a row and even then only as a suggestion/prompt requiring the team to vote on it with majority rules.

[Sove92]

Meh, if SE were to add an ingame parser, they should just allow it in all content. Why? People who want to parse all content will continue to do so anyway with 3rd party apps if the ingame one has such artificial limitations, so there is no point at all. Even with an ingame parser, harassing people for low performance would still get you penalized, nothing would change in that aspect. Besides, knowing how SE does these things, the current 3rd party ones would undoubtly beat an ingame one because of how much they show, I doubt ingame one would show so much.

[OmegaStrongtan]

Instead of parsers have some new class quests with tight DPS checks.
- some dummy fight
- DPS while dodging AoEs and/or do other mechanics
- AoE DPS

As reward have new titles and glamor.