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    Sapphidia Wulfhaven
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    To further explain the queuing system:

    Let's say you have Skull Sunder in a macro. You press Heavy Swing first. The Heavy Swing goes off, and you then press your Skull Sunder macro. If you press the macro and the 2.5 second GCD for heavy swing hasnt finished, the macro will do nothing. You'll need to wait the full 2.5 seconds (well maybe 2.45 with skillspeed) and then press it. Due to human error, lag and latency, you'll likely miss out on a fraction of a second, because you'll probably be pressing the button at closer to 2.6 or 2.7 seconds. It's humanly impossible to press the button at -exactly- the millisecond the cooldown ends - you either press early and nothing happens, or you lose a few fractions of a second in a gap between Heavy and Skull.

    If you press Skull Sunder early when it ISNT in a macro, though, it queues it up! You can press skull sunder with half a second left on the Heavy Swing cooldown and the skull sunder will IMMEDIATELY fire off as soon as the cooldown ends. . Zero gap, no lag, no risk of the press not registering. This queueing doesnt happen if the skullsunder is macroed.

    That's why macros of regular GCD moves are bad - they increase the lag between skills, and sometimes result in a skill not firing off when pressed. It's the equivalent of debuffing yourself with a Slow, reducing your skillspeed.
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    Last edited by Sapphidia; 09-08-2015 at 05:08 AM.

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    Simply without going into the details of the previous posts (but they are correct for those willing to take the time)

    Macros make your abilities have a delay rather than go when the GCD reaches 0.
    Bigger delay between abilities = lower DPS.

    Also if you queue whole Combos you can only do second wait times so you will either do your skills 3 seconds apart which is MUCH slower, or have the macro try to do a skill after 2 seconds and therefore miss the middle skill of your combo out.

    That didn't end up being much shorter did it. Oops.
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    There is one macro on War that I found can really clean up your hotbar: A Defiance/Deliverance button that also swaps out Cleave/Beast and Cyclone/Decimate.

    There's no queuing issue since defiance and deliverance are oGCD and you're just swapping buttons for the other skills, not adding macros to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rbstr View Post
    There is one macro on War that I found can really clean up your hotbar: A Defiance/Deliverance button that also swaps out Cleave/Beast and Cyclone/Decimate.

    There's no queuing issue since defiance and deliverance are oGCD and you're just swapping buttons for the other skills, not adding macros to them.

    These two are legit and awesome
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    The only macro a WAR needs is "ESUNA/LEECHES PLEASE <se.10>"
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    Fell/inner beast are clunky in macros, I'll give you that, but I still manage to hit my three fell cleaves. The rotation Iuse is:
    HS>Maim>Eye>Brutal>Fracture>HS>SS>BB>HS>Berserk>Fell>Maim>pot>Eye>IR>HS>SS>Brutal>BB>Ven or Raw> Fell>Infuriate>Fell. Leaves me 1~2 Seconds. O.o

    Could up tell me the setup you use to reach that 9 GCD triple Fell? It's 8 using a buff and would be 10 without, because you need to heavy swing first.

    I'm super willing to learn a new rotation xD. This is just what I thought of myself.
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 09-08-2015 at 10:32 AM.

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    Ralvenom Mahlfusant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil_DryJoint View Post
    Ok i have been wondering if there is a way to prioritize attacks in a macro depending on the state of the combo. for example:

    Heavy Swing>Skull sunder>Butchers Block all in one button press WITHOUT the use of /wait.

    The closest iv gotten to 1 button press was:

    /ac Heavy swing
    /hotbar action "Skull Sunder" 1 2 <wait.4>
    /hotbar action "Butcher' Block" 1 2

    I still ended up having to use /wait to get it to properly work. again i am hoping that certain skills will be used depending on the state of the combo. Can someone please help me out with this?
    Why are you trying to press a single button to do 3 actions? Not only are you showing how lazy you are; you're also losing time on the GCD. You should -- ideally -- be able to do 9 actions every Berserk cycle. No way you're doing that by waiting 4 seconds.
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    He's not waiting any time really. The idea of his macro is

    Use Heavy swing.
    When heavy swing is used skull suffer sunder is placed on slot 2 on hotbar 1.
    2.5 seconds later he will use the non macroed skull sunder.
    1.5 seconds later Skull sunder will be replaced by Butchers block.
    1 second later he will use Butchers block.
    I could see where this could get messed up, but it's an interesting idea, but really risky if you run other macros.
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    And if he just pushes 3 separate buttons, he is less likely to mess up AND less likely to ruin it with other macros. His macro could easily be messed up by actions that do NOT break combos, such as hitting IB or FC.
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    I agree on that xD
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