The Real Problem with Parsers

[Kitfox]

As long as hard enrages exist based on meeting DPS checks, a method to objectively measure DPS output is required. It's that simple.

It doesn't matter the form. Personal, public, public opt-in, dummy. It's needed. Whether or not people use it is on them, but the tool needs to be there. Plain and simple.

It shouldn't take 77 god damn pages to figure this out, people.

If only the devs thought the same.

[Zojha]

As long as hard enrages exist based on meeting DPS checks, a method to objectively measure DPS output is required. It's that simple.

The devs heard you.

And intend to remove all hard enrages based on DPS checks.

[Ossom]

The devs heard you.

And intend to remove all hard enrages based on DPS checks.

Lmao, this will be hilarious if they get rid of dps checks. You know what the new meta is 3 Warriors an 1 Whm 1 Astr and 3 Schs. Why would you bring a DPS when Tanks and Heales can put up 1/2s to 2/3s what a DPS can and still bring so much more to the table.

[TiaHeart]

It doesn't matter the form. Personal, public, public opt-in, dummy

And now assume you were in charge for a second. You put a parser in the game, ok I got that and its A GREAT idea. What does it look like tho. It will actually have to look like something

It shouldn't take 77 god damn pages to figure this out, people.

Yes the fact that parsers in general do not exist for a wider audience while they do for all who care to make additional efforts (or be on pc) is stupid. All the debating I have seen was weighing the pros n cons for what form, and mentality displays. Since you evade any specific standpoint, have one more like xD

For me hard enrages do not exist in DF (they way i use it. I use pf too, obviously.). I dont get to see them. Guess I still dont need a global parser everywhere in the game at all times,
while i upvoted it optionally in pf content (just another checkmark and symbol to show a global parser will make every players performance transparent). Feel free to detect "weak links" where required. Like bis ex or as or whatever youre thinkin of.
Its not fear mongering at all.
Its just that the main purpose i see BEYOND personal parsers AND optional globals, basically saying YOU want a global for "everyone everywhere everytim, wether THEY want it or not" is pointing fingers a la "this run usually takes 20 mins now its 50. Some bad players are stealing my precious time by not performing to a standard i expect. These players are <names here>". The frame set by the game doesnt expect this standard.

To the above: I said im out. Its useless. Wont recycle the same words over an over. Ive been there and done that already. And yes i asked people with ellbow or pointing fingers mentality to stay out of "my game" (->the df). I will do so everytime again. I dont like ellbows. Theres a system in place with pf and blacklist to set your own standards to every single game you play. DF is a place where different standards meet, and unless theres a valid reason to (i agree with hard enrage cuz its a game standard not a personal one. Same applies to overthetop derpy t n h), putting people down its harassment in my eyes.

[AriaEnia]

Better overall game experience is still questionable with parser's existence.

[Sidra]

Better overall game experience is still questionable with parser's existence.

I use, and I find my overall gameplay much experience better, as many do. Can you find anyone who uses a parser that says their gameplay experience is worse? Not sure this point is even debatable.

Plus, if someone didn't find it better, I am sure they could just close the window so they can't see it. That way, they could ignore the data they don't want to see, without hindering on everyone else's benefit.

[AriaEnia]

Can you find anyone who uses a parser that says their gameplay experience is worse? Not sure this point is even debatable.

Pretty much some parser people I see in DF and Alex, they were whining to other people whose dps numbers don't satisfy them, usually healers were being trashed for not dpsing a bit. Not really fun to watch, or read.
It's ruining my gameplay experience.

[Aiselia]

Can you find anyone who uses a parser that says their gameplay experience is worse?

So you're asking if we can find people who are intentionally making their experience worse by going out of their way to download and run something which is making their experience worse?

That's a rather silly question, no?

That's like asking if we can find anyone that eats bacon daily that thinks their day is ruined whenever they eat bacon. If someone feels their game experience is ruined if they use a parser, the logical thing to do would be to not use the parser.

Could we find people who used a parser and stopped using it? Probably. Personally I feel that having a parser not only wouldn't improve my experience, but would probably make it worse because I'd feel more judgmental about myself even if I'm doing fine. And being able to see everyone all the time? Meh. It's easier to ignore that the DPS are doing less damage than me as a tank if I don't see it live. Not everybody likes to min/max and push themselves to the limit. That's why savage raiding is the minority scene.

[Sidra]

That's the player's faults for being idiots, not the parser. I don't think I've ever commented to a DF stranger on their dps. There's no point to it really - even if you tried and be as nice and friendly and helpful as possible people just don't take it well. It ends up being better just to do the slower dungeon and avoid any confrontation.

[Sidra]

But isn't that the point, though? If people are going out of their way to download and use something - it obviously is something that a lot of the player base finds value and in wants - should't it be something the base game just includes? For anyone who doesn't want to see it, they can just close the window.

It's just like I literally have no interest in Gold Saucer stuff - Chocobo Racing, Triple Triad, Minion RTS. I will barely play them. But I don't mind them being in the game because some people play and enjoy them even though it's not my cup of tea. Same deal here - put it in the game so the player base has access to it. People who want to see can see, and people who don't can close the window so they can't see.

If they only added things to the game that 100% of the playerbase wanted, they would never add anything to the game. And as is, it's really unfortunate that PS3/4 players who would like feature can't access it. Adding it to the game fixes that.