The Real Problem with Parsers

[Gorlioliolio]

Since I've seen this whole "take the parse out of context" thing being repeated in the past 5 pages, combined with the support from the same people for a personal or dummy only parser let me try to lay this out for you.

IN WHAT WAY IS A DUMMY PARSE OR PERSONAL PARSE EVER GOING TO BE IN CONTEXT IF YOU HAVE NO ONE TO COMPARE IT TO.

The only way to gain the context is constantly going into DF with other dps, check their gear and see how they perform in relation to you. Pretty much everyone knows a bard/mch in equal gear will be pulling slightly less than other dps classes (honestly it isn't THAT much of a difference). So keeping that in mind people can use it to improve. I still stand by all my earlier statements, if someone in i200+ gear is pulling less dps than a fresh 60 they can gtfo of my group for wasting my time.

[Aiselia]

IN WHAT WAY IS A DUMMY PARSE OR PERSONAL PARSE EVER GOING TO BE IN CONTEXT IF YOU HAVE NO ONE TO COMPARE IT TO.

Those that care to improve can find relevant numbers on the internet or ask others for useful information. Those that don't care will ignore it either way.

The only way to gain the context is constantly going into DF with other dps, check their gear and see how they perform in relation to you.

And if you can't guarantee that the other person is also playing optimally (which you can't or else this wouldn't be a big argument), then that context is worthless.

I mean, honestly, the whole argument that you need context in DF groups to improve is defeated by the same reasoning that a majority of players are low quality and do bad DPS. Either context in duty finder groups is important because you're being grouped consistently with people who ARE pulling good numbers, or the context in duty finder groups is unimportant because a majority of what you'll get are other bad players. Pick one. You can't have both.

(honestly it isn't THAT much of a difference)

Which not everybody knows. Especially if they don't already use the internet to know the correct numbers.

they can gtfo of my group for wasting my time.

They have as much a right to be in that group as you do if you used DF. You don't own the group. And if you ever tried to kick a DPS for pulling low numbers in a run I'm tanking, you'd shortly find yourself outside the dungeon.

[Archaell]

I mean, honestly, the whole argument that you need context in DF groups to improve is defeated by the same reasoning that a majority of players are low quality and do bad DPS. Either context in duty finder groups is important because you're being grouped consistently with people who ARE pulling good numbers, or the context in duty finder groups is unimportant because a majority of what you'll get are other bad players. Pick one. You can't have both.

I don't know how would you feel, but if I was doing 700 DPS while matched with players doing 400, I would feel really good about my performance (in case I wouldn't read forums and guides to have additional data)... until I would meet somebody doing 1000 DPS with the same job and gear. It doesn't matter if it would happen only once in blue moon, but the second I would see the difference I would be all around forums trying to figure out what could be done to get closer to the better guy.

If enough of players do this, then your average dps in DF must logically increase, which also means that more and more groups would expect the standard to be higher.

[Aiselia]

I don't know how would you feel, but if I was doing 700 DPS while matched with players doing 400, I would feel really good about my performance (in case I wouldn't read forums and guides to have additional data)... until I would meet somebody doing 1000 DPS with the same job and gear. It doesn't matter if it would happen only once in blue moon, but the second I would see the difference I would be all around forums trying to figure out what could be done to get closer to the better guy.

That's you, though. You're already on the forums. I already look up guides on every single class I play so I at least have a general idea that I'm doing the right rotation. Not that I really need to for the most part since most of the time it's less looking rotations up and more confirming that my rotation is fine.


But what we'd do is irrelevant, isn't it? We're not the kind of person that needs to use a parser to know how to do your basic rotation, which are the people that a majority of pro-parsers want to get better, isn't that right? If someone's pulling 700 in an Expert Roulette, that's not optimal, but it's completely acceptable for the content. You don't need 1,000 DPS to clear it. But those aren't the ones that are the real "problems", are they?

The value of a parser is only as much as the person seeing the numbers puts on it. I'm still not saying that some people can't and won't use it to improve, just that those that will see they're doing better than the majority but less than a minority aren't necessarily going to feel a need to improve if they're not failing content.

What? I didn't realise people always got paired with the same groups!?
I mean really, your trolling is failing hard here.

Since you're just making things up that I didn't say anywhere in what you quoted, it's safer to say you're the one trolling.

That being said, considering how long people have been arguing against me, if I were trolling, that'd be an astounding success.

So you're kind of wrong either way.

[Whiteroom]

Since you're just making things up that I didn't say anywhere in what you quoted, it's safer to say you're the one trolling.

That being said, considering how long people have been arguing against me, if I were trolling, that'd be an astounding success.

So you're kind of wrong either way.

Meh, given that its all new people every few pages, its not really a success.
But your answer proved my point so...

[Whiteroom]

Those that care to improve can find relevant numbers on the internet or ask others for useful information. Those that don't care will ignore it either way.

And if you can't guarantee that the other person is also playing optimally (which you can't or else this wouldn't be a big argument), then that context is worthless.

I mean, honestly, the whole argument that you need context in DF groups to improve is defeated by the same reasoning that a majority of players are low quality and do bad DPS. Either context in duty finder groups is important because you're being grouped consistently with people who ARE pulling good numbers, or the context in duty finder groups is unimportant because a majority of what you'll get are other bad players. Pick one. You can't have both.

What? I didn't realise people always got paired with the same groups!?
I mean really, your trolling is failing hard here.