The Real Problem with Parsers

[TiaHeart]

What happens...

Ive seen that a billion times. What happened? People let of steam and pet their egos. FC\LS "Man i just drgtanked whole ini xy". Healer got all commends. What didnt happen? Abuse of the other players. Thank god for that.

If the group can't stand...

Im perfectly fine with the system in place. If you want a PARTY that fits your needs in terms of performance use PARTYfinder. If you just want to run a DUTY use DUTYfinder. We all get annoyed there at times, but unless it makes people FAIL the DUTY, kicking people who dont misbehave is not an option. There are reasons on the kicklist. "underperforming" isnt on. There is a timelimit for duties. It is 90 minutes. Not 30. There is the option to leave and take a fine for it, because your behaviour is not given its blessing by the system in place. As sb pointed out, it depends on wether the content is still obviously doable.
Thanks iselia and others for writing so much, takes work off others.

[TiaHeart]

By the way content that is foreseen to cause major issues on the df is usually restricted to premades. Because u know... See above. System. Reason.
Vote yes: personal parsers, optional parsers, Adding "underperforming" as kickreason IF entered premade
Vote no: global parsing, approving people kicking others bcuz of a superiority/inferiority complex

[TiaHeart]

Exactly. The difference is that it is easy to see when the tank or healer aren't doing enough. To make things fair we need parser to see when DPS players aren't doing enough.

We dont need "fairness" when its bad for some roles good for others, by making it bad for everyone. Why is this shitty argument all over the forum?
When i see people unable to do the task at hand (tank new primae) i advice them to practice content on dd first and think about how tanks work it, then tank it yourself.
If my friend wants to pick up the game and will be bad quite a while or forever, i tell him it has the option to get all classes on 1 char. He should go dd first cuz it has the least responsibility, and switch to another role later if he desires it.

Well yeah, I might not be best suited to advocate parsers as I am being too much realistic

No sir, thats really not how it is. People pick up any random line of your post as they wish and tear it apart, because you advocate bad things. Parsers may be a good thing if you follow other peoples logic. Following yours just make em look bad.

[TiaHeart]

Also it is easy to see when dps aren't doing "enough". You fail included dps checks or the timelimit. Else they did enough. Objectively. I prefer the devs and game to set the bar. Not you. I hope they dont listen to you.

[Malevicton]

Also it is easy to see when dps aren't doing "enough". You fail included dps checks or the timelimit. Else they did enough. Objectively. I prefer the devs and game to set the bar. Not you. I hope they dont listen to you.

So for dungeons good enough is being afk? Because that's enough to avoid wiping.

Sorry, but honestly, no. People have different standards, I get that; it makes it hard to pin down a bare minimum. But I think it's safe to say that the bare minimum is something more than "not worse than literally an empty party spot"

People should at least try. They don't have to succeed, but intentionally making other people your personal tome gatherers is rude, even if it's not killing you.

[TiaHeart]

So for dungeons good enough is being afk? Because that's enough to avoid wiping.

If you feel the need to display your awesome WAR skills by tearing the dungeon apart on your own before the timer runs out yes. There is a timelimit. Also pls notice how i said there are kickreasons. I think afk was one of them. Also please notice how I said that "obviously still doable" was a part of the equation. Its not obviously doable when 2/4 afk, and I as one of the remains dont even know the other dudes skill. Please dont twist my words, you know i didnt want to advocate AFKing. I really didnt, and I dont want to promote things bad to the game. I just wanted to offend an elitist for talkin no reason at all imho
Didnt say parsers are objectively definitely wrong or adress anybody else. I adressed one person, and gave votes on the topic. When i vote, im not claiming thats "the only/best" way. Thats just... My vote

[TiaHeart]

But I think it's safe to say that the bare minimum is something more than "not worse than literally an empty party spot"

Guess what ? I agree 100%. Kickvote with "AFK". The game allows you to, and you have certified moral highground by the others voting yes. Problem is where?
I also never said I have a problem with balancind dngs a bit more harsh on minilvl/synclevel/timelimit. I personally find the frames ridiculous too and think 60 mins would be better. Sadly, it wasnt the topic.

People should at least try. They don't have to succeed, but intentionally making other people your personal tome gatherers is rude, even if it's not killing you.

They should. Im ok with kickreason "not trying". Im not ok with some dude judgin 600 dps on brd i180 is to bad, bcuz some dude upped a brd parse at 800, when mere auto attack sits at 300. The 600 dude is playing and "trying". He doesnt need your approval if he is better than the game asks him to be.

I just couldnt fit it all in the one post u quoted for 1000 char. Sry ^^

[Omni-Vocational_Ryan]

Duty finder = deal with what you get, sorry sometimes you get that one dps doing less then the tank, but DF is luck of the draw
Party finder/pre made = parse and kick all you want(provided you are the Party leader) or if you aren't and someone is underperforming and won't take your advice(like say a ninja refusing to use a poison in a RavEx farm) leave. If people blame you for that oh well standards are different.

[Archaell]

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No offense taken... even if you wanted to offend me. Could you tell me why do you consider me an elitist? I would really like to know what makes you think that.

Also your posts seem like you are trying to encourage players to not even try. Do you know what happens when nobody in the group tries? It doesn't go well, it leads to content being nerfed. Do you like nerfs?

I am not sure how parser makes it bad for everyone, when in reality parser makes nothing bad. It just shows what the player is or isn't doing. So how do you want to hide that tank or healer aren't doing their job to make it fair then?

[TiaHeart]

Could you...

I wasnt kiddin when i wrote every random line. Maybe exagerating a bit, but its close to everything you say.
Pick this one: Tanks and heals have to take abuse if they dont deliver, dd need the same for "fairness".

Also your posts...

Where? I just see it like there is 95% content "for everyone" even those who perform at 70%, and 5% to satisfy those seekin challenges thrivin 90-100%. I do not want habits that are fine for the top 5 to be transfered onto the bottom 95. Thats a minority vote and discrimination by elitists. The MAJORITY of overall players IS BAD. There, i said it.