The Real Problem with Parsers

[Archaell]

Then the entire group's going nowhere and a parser won't do anything to save them.

Exactly. The difference is that it is easy to see when the tank or healer aren't doing enough. To make things fair we need parser to see when DPS players aren't doing enough.

But then that makes the number subjective. If someone did all right with 500 DPS and wasn't kicked before, then suddenly some group comes along that demands 1,000, what's the person supposed to take away from that?

I'll tell you the most likely scenario: "Man, those guys were jerks. I've never had problems with my DPS before. They're just elitists."

The less likely scenario is that they'll give a crap to get better.

Yes, it is subjective. It depends on every single group how much are they going to require. If majority of players tells you that your dps is low... well sooner or later you might think about it and maybe it will motivate you to switch your role or improve.

Then it's funny how you advocate putting the needs of others before yourself and then say it's okay if people put their own wants ahead of the tank or healer.

No. I say that needs of several players in the group are more important than needs of one player. Also you can try it. Enter DF as a dps role, tell the group that tank isn't pulling enough mobs and try to vote kick them. I am looking froward to read what happens next.

You're also an example of the worst kind of person that should be advocating for a parser, especially when the common argument against parsers is that it'll cause more kicks that are unnecessary.

Well yeah, I might not be best suited to advocate parsers as I am being too much realistic. In regard to unnecessary kicks... here comes the catch. If somebody is not contributing enough then I do not consider it unnecessary.

[rappa]

Probably, the first days after parser implementation would bring a unnecessary kicks. The community would have to acommodate and discover which numbers are fine and which are low or unacceptable.

There are two facts would occur:

- Players don't like to be kicked and search info to improve their rotations and playstyle.
- They don't care about stuff and join with friends who tolerate theirs low performance.

[TiaHeart]

Exactly. The difference is that it is easy to see when the tank or healer aren't doing enough. To make things fair we need parser to see when DPS players aren't doing enough.

We dont need "fairness" when its bad for some roles good for others, by making it bad for everyone. Why is this shitty argument all over the forum?
When i see people unable to do the task at hand (tank new primae) i advice them to practice content on dd first and think about how tanks work it, then tank it yourself.
If my friend wants to pick up the game and will be bad quite a while or forever, i tell him it has the option to get all classes on 1 char. He should go dd first cuz it has the least responsibility, and switch to another role later if he desires it.

Well yeah, I might not be best suited to advocate parsers as I am being too much realistic

No sir, thats really not how it is. People pick up any random line of your post as they wish and tear it apart, because you advocate bad things. Parsers may be a good thing if you follow other peoples logic. Following yours just make em look bad.