See but that's the point I'm getting to. It's not objectively "wrong" to play the class in a way that's not optimal. You can't make that claim. Even if their rotation doesn't match the ideal base rotation (which I would consider the skill floor of a class - any worse than that and you're barely even playing the class) it's still not technically a WRONG way to play. Could they do better? Yes. Should they do better? Absolutely.

This argument just has two parts:

In a DF group where you didn't choose your members, nobody should be so anal about perfection that they'll kick someone for playing differently/sub-optimally. It's rude to be willfully bad, yes. But it's Duty Finder. I don't know why people expect perfection from randoms who will never see you again.

In a PF group that's intending to clear difficult content or farm outdated content, you should be more than willing and ready to kick people out who aren't pulling their weight. And yes, for DPS, you NEED a parser to see that, definitively. I don't deny this.


The bottom line is people need to get their heads out of their asses and stop expecting DF players to be top of the line with top-level gear doing ace damage all the time. Yeah, some players just don't give a fuck and don't try in dungeons. Does that mean you should get your panties in a bunch and kick them? No. When I DF expert roulette on my dragoon, my runs are rarely longer than 20 minutes. Those times when I err on the side of 20 is when the tank pulls 300 or less and the other dps is 600 or so on bosses. I can't see how 20 minutes is really that much worse than 15 to the point you'd get openly pissed off about some dps not doing their job. Just do your job well and stop whining, basically. If you want faster runs, run with a premade party of people you know and stop using duty finder. :\