The Real Problem with Parsers

[JackFross]

See but that's the point I'm getting to. It's not objectively "wrong" to play the class in a way that's not optimal. You can't make that claim. Even if their rotation doesn't match the ideal base rotation (which I would consider the skill floor of a class - any worse than that and you're barely even playing the class) it's still not technically a WRONG way to play. Could they do better? Yes. Should they do better? Absolutely.

This argument just has two parts:

In a DF group where you didn't choose your members, nobody should be so anal about perfection that they'll kick someone for playing differently/sub-optimally. It's rude to be willfully bad, yes. But it's Duty Finder. I don't know why people expect perfection from randoms who will never see you again.

In a PF group that's intending to clear difficult content or farm outdated content, you should be more than willing and ready to kick people out who aren't pulling their weight. And yes, for DPS, you NEED a parser to see that, definitively. I don't deny this.


The bottom line is people need to get their heads out of their asses and stop expecting DF players to be top of the line with top-level gear doing ace damage all the time. Yeah, some players just don't give a fuck and don't try in dungeons. Does that mean you should get your panties in a bunch and kick them? No. When I DF expert roulette on my dragoon, my runs are rarely longer than 20 minutes. Those times when I err on the side of 20 is when the tank pulls 300 or less and the other dps is 600 or so on bosses. I can't see how 20 minutes is really that much worse than 15 to the point you'd get openly pissed off about some dps not doing their job. Just do your job well and stop whining, basically. If you want faster runs, run with a premade party of people you know and stop using duty finder. :\

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

The bottom line is people need to get their heads out of their asses and stop expecting DF players to be top of the line with top-level gear doing ace damage all the time.

The contrary also applies, though.

[RiceisNice]

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And the other side is that you can't objectify or quantify the numbers that people who are deliberately playing bad. Like... if we're throwing out numbers, a DRG can spam heavy thrust and still collectively do around 600 dps. That's nowhere near optimal and would add maybe 5 minutes to a dungeon queue, but if you're doing worse than that and dipping around 300, you have to be doing something like spamming full thrust or alt-tabbng/netflixing during pulls. When a individual can't even be assed to do that little, numbers can help quantify that information. It probably won't change the fact they'd get kicked anyway, but that's just as much as in effect as changing the perspective of people who are overly anal about their dps (which goes back to this, even if they're playing sub optimally, they don't necessarily know because the information isn't quantified, nor can it be safely shared with the current ToS set in place_/

[rappa]

And this is the reason we need a parser ingame.





Blue = pld
Red = bard
Green = healer

To hard to learn your job.

[Aiselia]

And this is the reason we need a parser ingame.

I don't get it. What part of that demanded the use of a parser?

[rappa]

I don't get it. What part of that demanded the use of a parser?

It's called "underperfoming"

[Aiselia]

It's called "underperfoming"

It's called "You already saw that he had Mind accessories". You don't need a parser to prove that Mind isn't what a Bard should be using, because it says when you hover over it in your character screen that it affects healing potency. It's just plain fact that Bards should be using Dex, not Mind.

A parser wouldn't have changed anything. It's as easy to prove he's underperforming with and without a parser because he's literally not wearing the right stats.

And this is besides the fact that you're complaining about underperforming in Aurum Vale? Really? That's why this game DOESN'T need parsers. If you're complaining about how poorly someone's parsing in something like Aurum Vale, you're the exact type of person that should not be allowed to parse.

[RiceisNice]

And this is besides the fact that you're complaining about underperforming in Aurum Vale? Really? That's why this game DOESN'T need parsers. If you're complaining about how poorly someone's parsing in something like Aurum Vale, you're the exact type of person that should not be allowed to parse.

He wasn't complaining about how poorly they were parsing nor did he even mention low damage output, but the fact that they were completely off the radar on what they should be doing (having the wrong stats). All that screenshot showed was that he couldn't even voice that because in the end, he wounded up getting vote dismissed.

[Kuroyasha]

People should stop expecting to be bad with no one saying anything b/c "games" "i play how i wanna" "it can't be me" "elitist."

I don't know where this mentality of " everyone deal with my bad performance or you're a bad person" came from. In the end that is just using a different viewpoint to make oneself psychologically feel better.