The Real Problem with Parsers

[StouterTaru]

Ask me that again when people can bring up parses without expecting they'll get reported just for mentioning them, so that it can be more accurate to the situation that would result from being able to do that. My experience is also biased in that I normally queue with at least one other DPS with me sometimes (more and more lately) being the second one, so there's no reason to kick for low DPS because it isn't happening.

So that's a no, you've never seen it happen?

[Aiselia]

So that's a no, you've never seen it happen?

I have. I don't count how many times I've seen people kicked for different things, though.

[StouterTaru]

I have. I don't count how many times I've seen people kicked for different things, though.

Different things are different things, the issue is people being booted from dungeons for low damage while still being able to clear content, which you seem to believe would become rampant. The question again is:

how often have you seen someone kicked from a dungeon that wasn't afk, offline, being a jerk, or blamed for a wipe(s)?

[TitaniaYaerem]

Parsers aren't ruining the game, its the people who could care less what their abilities do or in what order they need to be pressed just to perform a simple basic rotation. Lets say for instance you get a MNK who only uses bootshine, not true strike, or snap punch. I've seen these kinds of people somehow get to level 50. Then you get these said people who don't know what 90% of their abilities do because they can't be bothered to take a sec and read.

THEN these people try and queue into ex primals or attempt HW content. Someone then questions why they are doing what they are doing because they can't even get the basic concept of their job. You're saying that these people who gives zero cares in the world and then expects people to carry them, they aren't ruining the game?

Parsers let people know if someone isn't pulling their weight, shouldn't really matter when it comes to dungeons but when it comes to end game content, everyone needs to pull their weight. If you can't even do the bare minimum then you hold back your raid group's progression. You have 2 choices, see if maybe you can try and improve yourself....or back out of your Savage and give your spot to someone else who will help your raid/friends get to where they want to be.

If SE really wanted to be completely free of parsers, they would completely remove dps checks, enrages, or just remove raiding altogether. If that happens then people don't get challenged, no challenge = boredom = less players = game will die.

I've also played WoW before, everyone and their mother has a parser in that game. I've been in dungeons where you could put your character on auto attack and no one says anything at all. Even in raid finder, you could get like 5-10 people underperforming or afk and no one really complains or mention anything about it. The only time people would say anything is if you kept wiping or you're screwing up mechanics.

Parsers aren't ruining the community, its the players. You'll have bad apples from both the Elitest spectrum and the Casual spectrum. If people can't figure that out from playing on MMOs or just being on the internet in general.....then I just feel bad for them.

[RapBreon]

Look, while I am staunchly pro-parser (I'm pro-data really). For those arguing back-and-forth about people being kicked over low performance, it does happen.

I can guarantee you it does, because I personally have kicked someone for low DPS before. And yes, it was entirely due to the extra data provided by the parser that this person was kicked as I had no understanding of the class and how it played at the time; other than it was doing 200 DPS on A4df the first week it was released. It was close to impossible for us to do it at the time with this person in the group. Ostensibly we may have been able to do it with this person (had we all not been learning the fight), but they were making it way harder than it needed to be.

Whether or not its justified is going to be hotly debated I'm sure (JP DF culturally functions a bit differently from NA), but the parser did play an integral role in the formation of my decision. I've teetered on the edge in other situations as well, such as the last boss of FC.

On a different note; if you guys want to crack down on rampant 'unjustified vote kicking', stop premades from using the DF (being flippant). My personal experiences (in life as well as vidya) has demonstrated that the dickish behaviour is motivated by group dynamics, rather than the odd individual. Unlike parsers, which tend to provide justification, rather than motivation.

[Myon88]

Parsers aren't ruining the game, its the people who could care less what their abilities

You mean couldn't. If they could care less, it means they must care about their abilities a lot (because they could still care less).

If I care 30% out of 100% strongly about an issue, then I could care less, because I still care a little bit - 30% is better than nothing!

If I totally didn't care at all (0%), then I really couldn't care less.