The Real Problem with Parsers

[Ilan]

You are one of those "Elitists" who can't read posts i guess. I never wrote with one Word that everyone who uses a Parser is such a toxic Player. I don't write here to fear anyone of the Parser. Why should i? But if i read some Posts in this Thread i blame the ignorants of People who abuse the Parser for humiliation. And it seems any Parser user feels it like a personal attack on himself, thats ridiculous.

Got it now?

[Sallannah]

You need a parser to see someone's failing that hard in a four-man?



Then go make a preformed group and run it with that group. The DF is not your personal crucible.

With all due respect... the VTK tool is there for a reason, and that is to remove undesirable players from groups. YOU don't get to tell others players who they should or should not VTK, that's up to them and anyone else voting in favour or against removing said terrible player.

[Whiteroom]

You are one of those "Elitists" who can't read posts i guess. I never wrote with one Word that everyone who uses a Parser is such a toxic Player. I don't write here to fear anyone of the Parser. Why should i? But if i read some Posts in this Thread i blame the ignorants of People who abuse the Parser for humiliation. And it seems any Parser user feels it like a personal attack on himself, thats ridiculous.

Got it now?

... the Problem is that most of the People need it to humiliate other People who are not playing on their Level.

Maybe you didn't say everyone, but you came fairly close.

[Subucnimorning]

You are one of those "Elitists" who can't read posts i guess. I never wrote with one Word that everyone who uses a Parser is such a toxic Player. I don't write here to fear anyone of the Parser. Why should i? But if i read some Posts in this Thread i blame the ignorants of People who abuse the Parser for humiliation. And it seems any Parser user feels it like a personal attack on himself, thats ridiculous.

Got it now?

People who use parsers view your comments as personal attacks because you are using fear based logic in your argument against parsers. You are saying since a few people, who are likely toxic anyway, are being toxic with parser information that must mean that parsers create that. You even said yourself that most people who use parsers use them to humiliate others, which actually isn't true...that confirmation bias at work there.

[Ilan]

Maybe i expressed myself not that good because english isn't my native language and its rusty. It wasn't my intention to blame that to every user of a Parser i even know some of them myself. If i expressed myself not clear i'm sorry.

What i meant was that those People in this Thread here who kick other Players in a Ex Roulette are the toxic Persons who humiliate with the Help of a Parser, i don't say they wouldn't find other ways, but they put Parsers in a negative Light.

I'm totaly fine if someone uses a Parser to improve himself and help his Friends with it but i totaly reject People who flame and blame other People just because they aren't good instead of giving them Tips or even accept that they are not good and move on.

Hope that is more clear now.

[Isala]

I'd like to imagine that everyone against parsers believes that we're all Elitists who would say something like this.

[RiceisNice]

What i meant was that those People in this Thread here who kick other Players in a Ex Roulette are the toxic Persons who humiliate with the Help of a Parser, i don't say they wouldn't find other ways, but they put Parsers in a negative Light.

I'm totaly fine if someone uses a Parser to improve himself and help his Friends with it but i totaly reject People who flame and blame other People just because they aren't good instead of giving them Tips or even accept that they are not good and move on.

Hope that is more clear now.

That's the thing, if it's bad to the point that you can "humiliate" them with a parser, they're doing bad enough that you don't need a parser to know. All a parser would do at that point is quantify and solidify that information, but more or less it does not change how people act.

[RapBreon]

"Someone needs to not drag the death zone onto the healers." <= Tactful
"Hey Leonardo, stop dragging the death zone onto the healers." <= Less tactful

While I agree broadly with your points.

The 'tactful' example, is very passive-aggressive. Some people find that worse. Meh.

[ShanaShirayuki]

I'd like to imagine that everyone against parsers believes that we're all Elitists who would say something like this.

Gordon Ramsay fan here, thanks for this, saved. Lol

[Waliel]

Wouldn't be surprised if many people gave up on giving advice, because a lot of times the response will be "**** you, I play how I want."

Anything I ever said about that and they continued doing it. Didn't affect the run in any way, but it made me sad to see it happen. Majority seems to be pretty chill about random tips, though.