The Real Problem with Parsers

[LathusWHM]

I had no idea this was such a touchy subject, 25 pages later >___________________>;;;

[Ephier]

I had no idea this was such a touchy subject, 25 pages later >___________________>;;;

They don't want to be exposed. It's okay. The reckoning is coming.

[Fevelle]

They don't want to be exposed. It's okay. The reckoning is coming.

Boy, I'm a healer. If I don't heal people die. I'm the most exposed of the three roles. What I don't want is the Duty Finder to become even more disrespectful than it already is.

[Bman10119]

Oh boo hoo i dont want parsers because they provide information. Im a ps4 player, and i'd LOVE a parser. Why? because i can use it to learn. to better myself. because it'd encourage growth. Because I'd like to get better rather than sit there in blissful unaware mediocrity. But no, I'm the weird one in our society. Just add in a personal parse that only shows your own numbers. since its against tos for a pc player to use a parse but they turn a blind eye to it as long as the player doesnt advertise it or isnt a jerk with it. But us console players who want to better our play, what do we get? we get to ask a pc friend if they have one to tell us our numbers. but that also violates the tos. so pc players can use these without punishment so long as they arent elitist jerks and dont advertise it. They use them in streams. and videos. but us console players? dark ages.

[NovaLevossida]

Parsers exist, but only for some of the player base. Everyone should have access to them in the interest of fairness.

[waifugenerator]

Just give us personal parsers?? It'd literally create 0 problems in DF. Maybe have an option for the party leader to see everyone's numbers. (This would mostly be for statics)

[Zorafin]

Aiselia... You're being an idiot. You're staunchly defending your side of the argument, while adding absolutely nothing to that argument. You've given no good reasons why parsers are bad. You just don't like them, and refuse to accept other people liking them.
There isn't even anyone attacking parsers anymore. This entire topic has turned into you saying they're bad, and everyone else telling you why you're wrong.

[Kona_Nightwind]

Aiselia... You're being an idiot. You're staunchly defending your side of the argument, while adding absolutely nothing to that argument. You've given no good reasons why parsers are bad. You just don't like them, and refuse to accept other people liking them.
There isn't even anyone attacking parsers anymore. This entire topic has turned into you saying they're bad, and everyone else telling you why you're wrong.

Don't listen to her. Why must you try to take away my new favorite thread?

[Aiselia]

You've given no good reasons why parsers are bad.

That's probably because I've never said that parsers are bad.

This entire topic has turned into you saying they're bad

Please quote where I said they were bad. You can start from the post where I specifically agreed with Viridiana that we (me and Viridiana) were in agreement that parsers are fine if they don't come with jerks tagging alongside them, and work backwards from there.

I'll save you time. I've never said that parsers themselves are bad. I've said that other games have shown that there's plenty of elitism focused on them. I've said that SE's concern is that the same elitism will blossom from officially allowing or putting in parsers and that many of the pro-parser side simply prove that fear to be accurate, and that if they truly want parsers to be added, they should be trying to convince SE that they ARE mature enough to handle them, and not outright state that they'd totally kick people for not being up to their standards even if they're still capable of clearing just because it'll take them half an hour to clear an Expert Roulette instead of 20 minutes. I've said that if people want SE to reconsider their position on parsers, telling them simply that they're wrong isn't going to win them over. This isn't Family Guy, you can't just say "Come ooooon" and have them agree.

I've also said that I have zero problems with personal parsers to be allowed to see one's own output so they can improve if they care, and that that would be a safe middle ground for SE to implement because they can still maintain their current policy of not bringing up others' specific DPS because they shouldn't be able to see someone else's with a personal parser.

Do you know why I continued that debate with Viridiana for so long? Because unlike people like you, Viridiana actually understood my actual position, even if it's because I specifically stated it in another thread, and didn't operate under the misconception that "If you're not 100% with me, you're 100% against me."

So tell me again how I'm being an idiot for saying things I've never said. Because if you actually pay attention, if people bothered to take my advice and STOP outright stating that they'll completely be the elitists that SE doesn't want them to be, there MIGHT be a better chance at getting parsers added because they would stop proving SE right.

[Havenchild]

... if people bothered to take my advice and STOP outright stating that they'll completely be the elitists that SE doesn't want them to be, there MIGHT be a better chance at getting parsers added because they would stop proving SE right.

Or people like you could stop coming into these threads with fear-mongering nonsense, (by claiming suddenly more "good players" would become much more aggressive), to cause unneeded dispute over a tool that would be valuable in helping DPS players improve ten-fold. Then we could have a thread full of plenty of positive support for parsers. That would be much more effective at getting them in-game.