The Real Problem with Parsers

[Viridiana]

Assumption: Some people bite their tongue because they don't want to look like a jerk to the entire group because THEY might be kicked instead.

So when I make assumptions, they're bad, but when you do it they're cool. Gotcha.

[Aiselia]

So when I make assumptions, they're bad, but when you do it they're cool. Gotcha.

I was waiting for an edit. Is that it?

I didn't say assumptions were bad. I said that they're not objective proof and that your idea of having SE give you numbers based on an assumption wouldn't actually prove anything. And I wasn't using my assumption as objective proof, but as a logical expectation.

I mean, technically what you quoted isn't an assumption at all (except the possible reasoning being that they fear they might be the ones kicked) because I know that there are people who don't say anything in group chat because they don't want to look like a jerk in the whole group.

This game should have a built in private damage meter.

I agree.

[Viridiana]

I was waiting for an edit. Is that it?
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I mean, technically what you quoted isn't an assumption at all (except the possible reasoning being that they fear they might be the ones kicked) because I know that there are people who don't say anything in group chat because they don't want to look like a jerk in the whole group.

Yeah. This argument is getting boring, and I'm usually pretty willing to spin my wheels in circles for the sake of debate. Also, in case we ever get in a super-fun discussion again, I usually just post "edit incoming" and then paste in my full post. So if you see something shorter than that, there probably isn't more coming.

But anyway, you have anecdotal evidence that people don't want to be perceived as a jerk, but not objective evidence that what they're choosing not to say would actually be harassment.

[Aiselia]

Yeah. This argument is getting boring

But... but... now the pages of this thread will be so short even with the same amount of posts! The scroll bar for the page will actually be allowed to grow larger than a sliver! Who will suppress the scroll bar from growing too large?!?

But anyway, you have anecdotal evidence that people don't want to be perceived as a jerk, but not objective evidence that what they're choosing not to say would actually be harassment.

Yeah, didn't say it was objective harassment, just that they wouldn't want to look like they were to the whole group.

It goes to the whole "scale of effect" thing. SE came to the conclusion that disabling tells but leaving in chat had more benefits to outweigh potential abuse, and they came to the entirely separate conclusion that the benefits of having a built-in party-visible parser doesn't outweigh potential abuse. They're just two different scales is all.

[Viridiana]

Who will suppress the scroll bar from growing too large?!?

How's the old poem go? "To you from failing hands we throw/The torch; be yours to hold it high." Someone else must take up arms against the villainous scroll bar.

Anyway, we both seem to be agreed that parsers would be groovy if they didn't come with a side order of jerks. We just disagree about how many jerks there would be and how many jerks is too many.