Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
So people with medical issues are automatically incapable of improving.
Meanwhile, if we reread what I said, I specifically said "Medical issues restricting them". So yes, if a medical issue is restricting them, they cannot magically heal it just so they can git gud enough for you. Maybe try reading every word.

Because it requires Eso gear to get Eso, right?
How are they going to get esos if they keep getting kicked? I notice you ignored the "widening gap" issue too.

Bringing up hypothetical data that might prove your point and then asserting that your point is proven is not reasonable.
It's a fact that in other games, there has been plenty of elitism and abuse centered around DPS charts. That's inarguable. If they are worried that it might spill into here, they don't need to prove it will.

That's not their current stance at all.
This avoids my question. Please answer the question.

They're asserting that the players should be afraid of harassment without ever establishing that harassment is a product of parsing.
Except it's already established in other games that DPS meters are a huge tool for elitists to be elitists. So, for the 99th time, they don't need to prove it would happen here, just that it could. If you want them to change their stance, you need to disprove that. You can't. That's really the end of it.

Do you not understand hyperbole?
Hyperbole is a terrible thing to use in arguments because over-exaggerating anything weakens your point, not supports.

Premaking all my parties is giving up on the enterprise of using DF. So that is actually what you're advocating.
Fine. And if you feel that DF is so terrible that you waste your time in it, then it's your logical duty to exercise other options available to you.

The analogy works just fine
No it doesn't. A more fitting analogy would be if a bank gave a loan to a random person with no accountability and got stiffed on it, because that's what DF is, and then decided that they shouldn't give out loans to random people and decided instead to only give out loans to people who have identification and accountability.

Use the option of not trusting anybody outside my inner circle.
If you want to guarantee fast clears, then the logical way to do that is by playing with people you know will get you fast clears. Sorry if you labour under the misconception that it's your solemn duty to clean up the duty finder.

Your point seems to be "People suck, so stop playing with them."
Again inaccurate. My point is "If you can't handle random people, stop grouping with random people."

Again, not doing yourself any favors with this argument.
I'd have hoped that when I say DPS, the fact that I'm talking about a player's personal DPS and not their ability to do mechanics would be clear. I guess not. A parser wouldn't have helped anyone clear Steps of Faith if nobody's doing cannons or DKs right.

None of this argument has been limited to the current state of the game.
Anything that's happened before is irrelevant to how useful a parser would be now.

sometimes in story mode, even.
I've cleared Bismarck in story mode with a DPS dead from the very start because they jumped off the side before the pull "just to see if they could". If three DPS could do it, then if a whole group is failing it, then you'll have to practically replace the entire group of DPS anyways, so a parser isn't going to solve much.

even though you can be harassed ... even though it's been used
Nobody won victories for being able to carry a gun by saying "Well, I could just stab someone with my pen, so what are you going to do, ban pens?" Nobody won victories for drug legalization by saying "Well, I could just overdose on Tylenol, what are you going to do, ban Tylenol?" So why do people think that they'll win victories for parsers by saying "Well, I could just harass someone for wearing purple clothes, are you going to ban purple dyes?"
Whether or not other things can/have been used for harassment is irrelevant and doesn't mean parsers should be added.

But you already have evidence that someone might rob your house.
And I already have evidence that someone might abuse parsers - other games.

I notice that you keep trying to make "call someone out on their DPS numbers" synonymous with "harass someone for their DPS."
If I meant "politely bring up somebody's DPS", I would say "politely bring up somebody's DPS".

because without being able to tell people just what their DPS is numerically, you aren't going to get very far helping people.
Really? Because I don't parse my husband's MCH but noticed he was doing significantly less damage than my Bard from the threat meter alone, so I looked up some MCH guides and gave some pointers and on some fights he's now giving my Bard a run for its gil. Didn't require specific numbers at all.

Discussing those numbers does not automatically constitute harassment, though.
Of course it doesn't. But that doesn't matter. What matters is the people for whom it would constitute harassment, and the people who would harass. You seem to not be grasping this, so I'll phrase it specifically as clear as I can: Just because it won't be abused by 100% of people doesn't negate that it may be abused by some people. And SE isn't banning it under the misconception that everybody ever would be an elitist jerk, I'm sure. Give them a little credit.

Gathering evidence for a hypothesis is an unrealistic expectation.
Other games are your evidence. They don't need to have specific numbers because those are impossible to prove without having it happen first. They have more than enough reason to expect that there would be elitism spawning from parser use based on frequency it happens in other games.

We're asking
Some are. Not all. Again, this is an incredibly important distinction that you keep glossing over. If SE is worried about some, not all, then it's irrelevant if not all would do it as long as some would.

If I were in a position to be even remotely able to prove it, I would.
I'm in a really easy position to prove that elitism may result. Other games in which elitism centers around DPS charts.

Meanwhile SE has 1, 4, 5, and 6.
1 is irrelevant. 4 is irrelevant, because the number that there is now would be logically expected to change if people weren't forced to bite their tongues about parsers. 5 is also irrelevant because the amount of harassment reports for other reasons is irrelevant to how many reports they may start getting for parser reasons. 6 is also irrelevant to a degree because whether or not they could use parsers now, they'd still be subject to the same restrictions of talking about them.

All of that information is irrelevant because they don't represent the hypothetical altered situation. If people know they can get reported for bringing up parser numbers, then clearly there's going to be less people bringing them up, and it logically follows that that would lead to less reports.