The Real Problem with Parsers

[OPneedNerfs]

Good, because I've never said that. What I have said is that if you don't want to deal with random bads, don't queue in a thing that can give you random bads.

Too bad there is absolutely no guarantee of said random bads not joining PF is there? Back to square one again. Same problem. So then the people in the PF are justified to kick, but then still get reported and "waste the time and resources" as I quote from what you said of SE. Your solution to not use DF is not a solution at all.

Not everybody that's competent is impatient.

Not everybody that's incompetent is patient either. Hasn't there been enough scenarios of the actual bads going "you guys suck" and leaving before the other more patient competent ones?

I don't know, would they? You realize that taking things to an extreme is not an effective way to disprove an argument, right? Not everybody who's competent cares about whether or not a bad DPS is going to add 10 minutes to their DF run. So taking it to the extreme point of everybody is largely irrelevant unless you think that it's a logically likely scenario.

lol *ahem*

Brilliant, and then they can lose paying customers because not only do they feel the players are attacking them, they can feel like SE wants the players to keep attacking them because THEY are the ones getting punished for feeling attacked enough to report!

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At this point, it's just everyone repeating the same old arguments over and over. Neither side is going to convince the other that their views are wrong/right. The only thing to do is agree to disagree and continue playing and enjoy the game however it is we've been enjoying it up till now.

General rule of thumb for the competent,
Meet a bad that is causing the content to be unclearable? Don't mention parsers, don't harass, just kick or leave/disband. Got reported? If you haven't said anything that breaks ToS, you won't get banned.

[Aiselia]

Too bad there is absolutely no guarantee of said random bads not joining PF is there?

I see, you don't have a FC or a friends list or people you know that you can group with?

Hasn't there been enough scenarios of the actual bads going "you guys suck" and leaving before the other more patient competent ones?

I don't know. I've never seen that.

lol *ahem*

That's not taking things to an extreme, though. That's a logical scenario. If someone keeps getting kicked for having low DPS and reports every one, are you saying it's not logical for them to feel even more angry when they get punished instead?

Neither side is going to convince the other that their views are wrong/right.

And fortunately, I don't have to convince anybody their views are wrong. They have to convince SE that their views are wrong.

In a way, one could consider this thread as a parser for their arguments against SE, which is the savage content they want to clear. The people who outright admit they'll call out people on their DPS more if it's allowed and the ones that get ragey and insult people in this thread already? They're the bad DPS that will hold back the clear because they're proving the paranoia right. The good DPS are the ones who make arguments that are civil and logical and actually prove SE wrong, rather than trying to shove aside their concerns and say it just doesn't matter.

Convincing me is, of course, irrelevant because I don't make the decision, but trying to convince me is a way to tune the arguments to be effective (for example, instead of outright demanding group parsers, some people have more intelligently suggested that personal parsers are put in for those who only want a tool for self improvement, with an option to share it with the group), rather than just bounce the same things off of, which I guess makes me the practice dummy. \o/

With your own logic you are giving ISIS permission to commit atrocities.

Wow, really? Are you really making the claim that SE being perfectly capable of looking at peoples' screenshots and videos and seeing parsers and banning them for using it, or my own example of watching somebody rob my house right in front of me, is somehow analogous to me being absolutely incapable of stopping people that I don't know and can't affect from doing something across the world from me? I think I'm just going to start ignoring you now, because with every post, your arguments are just getting worse to the point where I'm pretty sure you're just trolling.

parsers wouldn't change anything.

Prove it.

By this point, you have to be trolling.

I'm sorry you think that.