The Real Problem with Parsers

[Cynfael]

Buddy, I've been in groups that had such low DPS, they couldn't actually beat Nidhogg in the Aery. I've been in groups with such low DPS, they died to the Demon Walls in AK hard. I've died to Odin repeatedly, with 10% HP left. I've seen the enrage in A1 more times than I'd care to admit to. I have had groups with such horrible DPS, the healers and tank were outDPSing all of them. So don't you dare tell me I can't handle actually being in a group with someone with low DPS, because I have seen the absolute worst players in this game. Maybe, if we actually had a tool to let them know how terrible they were doing, they might be able to improve themselves. But instead, I got to waste hours of my time, failing to content that shouldn't even be considered hard, because nobody wants to take the personal responsibility to actually play right.

I'm in complete agreement.

As has been said many times before, there are a lot of players who don't religiously follow forums or look up a wealth of meta-game information, but who might be persuaded to get a clue if an in-game tool (rather than an irate player) gave them the notion that they were doing something very wrong.

I'm not talking about the people who more or less do what's expected of them even if it's not always optimal; this is more about the legit garbage-tier players who aren't even aware that their lack of skill is seriously inconveniencing others.

Someone's right to be terrible at the game extends about as far as it begins to cause others to have a similarly miserable experience, IMO.

[Malevicton]

I'm in complete agreement.

As has been said many times before, there are a lot of players who don't religiously follow forums or look up a wealth of meta-game information, but who might be persuaded to get a clue if an in-game tool (rather than an irate player) gave them the notion that they were doing something very wrong.

I'm not talking about the people who more or less do what's expected of them even if it's not always optimal; this is more about the legit garbage-tier players who aren't even aware that their lack of skill is seriously inconveniencing others.

Someone's right to be terrible at the game extends about as far as it begins to cause others to have a similarly miserable experience, IMO.

Just gonna piggyback off this post a bit cause it brings up a good point I'd like to expand on a bit; I wanna point out that when people refer to terrible dps, it's not usually someone who hasn't scoured for the latest and greatest meta info. If you're pulling like 700-900dps then most people are gonna be chill with you. You won't impress anyone, but you won't piss anyone off either. We're usually talking about the mute bards, the 350dps drg, the ice mages, etc. Idk everyone else's experiences with df, but mine are pretty much this: http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png all the time and it gets annoying.

If you're a good player and you use df, then yeah you have a responsibility to do the best you can with whatever group gets formed. But why does that only ever seem to apply to the good players? Bad players get a pass every time. Bad players have the same social responsibility to at least attempt to not be awful, to not actively be a detriment to their group.