The Real Problem with Parsers

[Viridiana]

Unfortunately for you, then, it isn't your pool. It's everybody's pool.

Right, which means people like this are hurting everybody. Does it count as selfish if you do something that benefits you along with everyone else, or when you do something that benefits you at the expense of everyone else?

They could just as easily say that they don't want people who'd kick them over DPS in their DF pool and be just as valid because you're both players.

The wonders of democracy. Either there are more people unwilling to improve at all costs, in which case people will stop using DF or leave the game entirely; or there are more willing to kick for blatant unwillingness to improve, in which case people unwilling to improve will leave the DF or the game. I'd rather pick the option that increases the general skill level of the populace, not the one that lowers it. It's already plenty low.

The effect they have before they get reported.

I suppose you don't clean cuts either, because it hurts to clean them even though it leads to a more desirable outcome.

Still better than going in blind.

No, it's essentially still going in blind. Besides, are you really arguing that we should go back to the days of "LFG BRD+BLM for WP SR! Must have relic+1 and full Darklight!"? Because even as a BRD playing then, that crap sucked.

What's carrying to you may be fine to them.

Rather exactly the problem, isn't it? Most of us don't expect everyone we meet in DF to be above average. Most of us will settle for slightly below average, even. Carrying is below that. More on this in a moment, though…

Some people may feel that if someone's doing 800 DPS on a class with gear that could be doing 1200 DPS is being carried. Are they right in that assumption? Should SE make a new set of rules to govern what's carrying and what's not carrying? Or should they just deal with extra reports from people getting kicked for that?

I'd be ashamed for them if they're doing 800 out of 1200 DPS. I wouldn't usually consider it enough to kick, though. If we're failing fights and the MNK is doing less damage than the PLD, though, we're gonna have to have a talk.

And again I'll ask, what happens if you kick the person you were carrying, open up to fill the spot, and then another person comes in that's just as bad or worse? Do you kick them to? What gives you the right to waste multiple peoples' queue times?

If they can't complete the content, they're wasting their own queue time. I'm just saving everyone, the incompetent ones included, from having it be a drawn out travesty. I can either let them waste their queue time and the 90 dungeon minutes of 3/7 other people, or I can let them waste their own queue time and cut short their wasting of actual dungeon time. If their replacement is just as bad, we have a new person to try to work with. If that still doesn't work, I'll eat the 30 minute penalty like I've done a few times before.

If you don't want to carry a person, what's stopping YOU from leaving the party and not forcing your will on someone else?

I'm pretty sure that I already said "Carry me, senpai!" isn't a DF option. How would you feel if you kept getting matched with DPS who would only auto-attack during each of your roulette runs? People losing to the healer in DPS? People actually doing less DPS than the Limit Break does? Behaviour like this isn't acceptable to me, because it's putting oneself above the group (while still basically hindering oneself, oddly).

There's a reason that carries are sold for millions of gil. Hint: it's not because they're readily available in DF. If someone wants a carry, the onus is on them to find a group willing to do so out of either friendship or payment.

If they do, then they clearly didn't exercise the options available to them by premaking parties.

Shouldn't need to premake a party to finish Neverreap in a reasonable time. And honestly, if you're really telling all the most competent people to just make premades instead of using DF, you're directly advocating for a DF pool of incompetent people. This seems self-defeating in the extreme, unless you're already doing premades.

I'm not. I'm just not saying that my side is more important than anyone else's, and especially not more important than SE's. Fact is, if SE says they don't want to risk problems with people being harassed or kicked because of their DPS, then saying "Sure there will be problems but eventually there might not be" isn't going to convince them otherwise.

What kind of reputation do they want? Do they want to be known as the company that demands DPS levels but doesn't allow people to measure DPS? Do they want to be known as the company that babies their players to the point that it intrudes against actual functionality (which is what they already do, separate from the parser discussion)? Because these are both valid points that can be raised to potential customers, and I suspect it hurts sales already.

That's the only character on my account I've chosen to display.

I'm reasonably sure there's no option in the forum's settings to limit which characters on an account are visible in the profile page. If there are, I can't find them even though I just went looking for them. Mind telling me where they are? I've only got the one character that matters, but I'm pretty sure people can see both of my characters if they look.

OR take your eyes off your parser for ten minutes and look up a guide on how to preform a party. You'll find it does wonders for not having to worry about whether you're carrying people, and run time will go up if you run with the same people so you know how to work together better.

You really seem to think that preforming a party is magically going to keep underperformers out, don't you? Having been an underperformer in a PF group, I can tell you that it really doesn't. But when I was called out on my bad play, I apologized and dropped group. The next night, I got back into the same leader's group and performed much better, because I assessed what I was doing wrong and corrected it and because they were nice enough to give me a second chance.

Meanwhile, you're basically advocating a static or semi-static just to do normal DF content. That's really your solution?

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Then clearly parsers are not as necessary to holding DPS accountable as people would argue. I can tell easily when there's any significantly underperforming DPS, so I don't know why people say it's so hard.

And this is the issue with snipping quotes and quote mining. Rice said that some kicks will happen regardless of parsers because some people do really obvious issues. Good job trying to extrapolate that out to everyone, though.

how did you get that?

http://zantetsuken.net/news/new-scre...l&shared=email

ARR developer screenshots from before launch.