The Real Problem with Parsers

[Viridiana]

Party finder exists to not have to worry about carrying people. If you queued for a random group? Guess what? You do exist to try to get through the dungeon with that random group.

Duty finder exists to do content, not try to get carried. If you're with a random group? Guess what? You do exist to not hinder the group.

Seriously, the general playerbase here needs to improve. If that means having to remove people from groups in order to get through to them, then so be it.

Kicking them from the group without trying to help them get better first isn't going to do anything, and don't pretend like it will.

And if those people cared about their time, they could use PF or their FC to ensure a well-geared and knowledgeable group.

There are tools in-game to avoid getting random people that may be bad. If anyone chooses to not use them, that is not the fault of anybody but themselves.

Kicking them from group after trying to help them and them being unreceptive has a decent chance to work, though, especially if it's happening consistently. I've already made it clear in both these parser threads that I fully believe in trying to help people get better before resorting to kicking them, and you should know that. >_>

As for PF, PF is still random people who may be bad. It's just a smaller set of people to choose from and would probably lead to a longer queue time (I haven't tested this, granted). As for FC/LS, that works reasonably, but people don't always want to run dungeons at the same time.

[Aiselia]

Duty finder exists to do content

And kicking people because they're not up to your standards prevents them from getting content done.

If that means having to remove people from groups in order to get through to them, then so be it.

Statements like this reaffirm SE's reasons for not putting them in.

It's surprising to find so many people trying to support a position by constantly undermining it.

I mean, if you're trying to convince them that they're wrong if they think that parsers will result in more people kicked, outright saying that they'll totally result in more people kicked probably isn't the best way to go.

[Viridiana]

And kicking people because they're not up to your standards prevents them from getting content done.

Until they improve themselves. It's not like they have no ability to improve. If they choose not to improve, the rest of us have no onus to carry them.

Again, we both know I'm not saying to kick people outright as soon as you see a low DPS parse. But people unwilling to improve to the point that they can complete content...don't get to complete content. How is this a bad thing?

[Aiselia]

And if you aren't getting through because one person is a giant anchor around the neck of the party?

I've never been stuck on duty finder content that has repeatedly failed due to low DPS. Maybe I'm just so awesome I make up for anybody who's low. Generally any duty finder content has failed because of lack of attention to mechanics, not DPS.

Kicking them from group after trying to help them and them being unreceptive has a decent chance to work, though

It also has a decent chance of not working because you kicked them and wasted their queue, which could just lead to them being pissed off at you and even further not caring. If it's happening consistently, they could just go on to think that the community is just full of elitist jerks.

I've already made it clear in both these parser threads that I fully believe in trying to help people get better before resorting to kicking them, and you should know that.

Right, and as I said before, though not to you, you don't matter. Even if everybody in this thread said they'd try to help before kicking (don't kid yourself, it would be a lie for at least some if everybody in this thread said it), there will be people who won't. Those are the people that matter.

PF is still random people

But at least you get control over classes and can check gear beforehand to get a better idea.

If they choose not to improve, the rest of us have no onus to carry them.

"Low DPS" is not an option on vote kick. And it never should be.

But people unwilling to improve to the point that they can complete content...don't get to complete content. How is this a bad thing?

Whose standpoint are you asking from? The person who may just want to clear content but doesn't care to be all serious about it which is why they don't bother with a static? That'd be bad for them.
From the standpoint of a person who's grouping randomly but unwilling to deal with who they randomly get? Might be okay for them.
For a company who would probably lose players if low DPS is such an all-encompassing problem because they just keep getting kicked from runs and don't see the point in continuing to pay for a game full of elitists? I think this is the most important standpoint, don't you? Remember, SE is, above all else, a company. If they start losing players due to the people trying to cleanse the casual filth out of THEIR duty roulettes, they're losing money.

[StouterTaru]

I've never been stuck on duty finder content that has repeatedly failed due to low DPS. Maybe I'm just so awesome I make up for anybody who's low. Generally any duty finder content has failed because of lack of attention to mechanics, not DPS.

Or maybe you haven't done any real content in duty finder, since your top job is 50.

[Aiselia]

Or maybe you haven't done any real content in duty finder, since your top job is 50.

Or maybe the character I choose to show to the forum is entirely irrelevant to what I have or haven't done.

[RiceisNice]

Or maybe the character I choose to show to the forum is entirely irrelevant to what I have or haven't done.

Honestly, you're better off putting your main or whatever to backup your own perspectives. I don't see the point of having using an alternate character to maintain anonymity...on an online forum.

That being said, I do not like carrying people who can't be assed to learn their class rotations, let alone bring up the "I play how I want card" and they're significantly slowing down the party. It's well within the realm of kicking since it's "playstyle" difference, but on my perspective, you have to be severely bad to push my threshold (that is, spamming full thrust or windbite bad).

I mean honestly, a DRG can hit 700 just by spamming heavy thrust with positional bonus... That's not in the realm of being elite, and certainly not in the realm of being bad. When you're pushing sub 200s in a post-50 DF group, don't be responsive or effecitvely tell us to piss off, neither one of us is probably going to be staying in that party for long.