The Real Problem with Parsers

[Clarkamite]

Yea but teamwork or not if you're doing 900 dps in faust you're not going to get anywhere. And throwing yourself at it over and over isn't going to magically teamwork your way to victory.

See I like this. There's a certain limit of DPS you can put out yourself that will compensate for the lack of DPS someone else in your group is putting out. Ignoring the fact that you giving 110% while someone else is putting out half the effort that they should is irresponsible, there is a limit to how much you can make up for. Teamwork can only take you so far and how much of it is teamwork when one or two people aren't giving their best?

[pandabearcat]

Actually ravana is doable with everyone pulling roughly 400-450 dps. I've done it with some dps at 300 or lower lol.

Yea...

[seraseth]

So, you're defining "casual" differently than the typically agreed upon definition, which is "plays less than (x amount of) hours per week." Because a lot of people can be casual and still clear content, if we go off of the normal definition.

Veering kinda off topic here, but I've noticed that casual->hardcore seemed to be used as terms by people for two entirely different scales (time spent in game, and difficulty of content completely/enjoyed). And it's constantly confusing people as to which scale they're talking about.

I think gamers need to use the old dnd 3x3 alignment grid style, with time on one side and difficulty on the other, and come up with a new set of terms so everyone can know they're on the same page :P
(For the record, totally chaotic evil)

As for on topic, I don't see how anyone could have a problem with parsing on test dummies, or a gold saucer combat arena with fake fights(possibly mimicking some patterns of bosses) and parsing. I also don't think most people would have a problem with a summary at the end of the dungeon similar to pvp ones.

I personally don't have a problem with parsers available at will, as long as there are firm rules about harassment that are enforced. But I can understand why there is some concern, hence the above 'middle of the road' possibilities.

[Almalexia]

Is there any reason why folks like OP cannot form their own non-judgmental, parser-eschewing communities to enjoy content?

We can all homogenize ourselves with understanding of our shortcomings and work to improve, and they can live in ignorance because being unique is more important than being useful - especially when an ancient dragon is trying to eat you.

[Drtoxicmedica]

Actually ravana is doable with everyone pulling roughly 400-450 dps. I've done it with some dps at 300 or lower lol.

Yea...

You realize that's worse than 2.55 dps. Let that sink in. There's absolutely no excuse for this.

[Kuroyasha]

Technically, they give you 90 minutes to do the dungeon, and anything faster than that is "quickly".

....stahp

/10char

[Isala]

How can I put this?
Okay.
I don't know if you've ever been or dealt with someone who is disabled, but an important aspect of being so is trying to break through previous barriers. Sometimes these can be consistent wins, and sometimes they're flukes that happen in moments of extreme competence and focus. These moments are incredibly important. So locking oneself out of something they might complete (especially with job mixes, interactions and other facets of teamwork) is a really bad place to be in, and a bad precedent to set. You're not required to help someone try and overcome their limitations, but that's kind of the whole story thematic of the entire game and I would kind of hope that would resonate in some way.

I'm gonna be that guy. And I really hate that I have to be. Just because someone has a disability, it doesn't excuse them from having to put out the same performance as someone who does not. Whether that's here in Eorzea, or in the real world in any sport situation, it is unreasonable to use your disability as an excuse, when you're doing any team activity. And this is coming from someone whose physical limitations prevented me from playing any sports at all. I didn't expect to be able to join a team, fail horribly, and say "You have to accept that I can't perform. It's my disability!" The same holds true here. If you cannot do it, you cannot do it. To pretend otherwise, and hope that maybe this time, the stars will align, and give you just enough power in your broken body, just to accomplish something ONE TIME... It is not fair to the other seven players you play with, to hold them back with something neither they, nor you, can control.

[Viridiana]

I don't know if you've ever been or dealt with someone who is disabled, but an important aspect of being so is trying to break through previous barriers…

Right. Which can happen a number of ways. If someone is disabled, I'd recommend that they take a moment to consider any new content they're running. Most such people I'm assuming won't have much reservation against running normal and expert dungeons, even in pugs. But there are completely competent and able-bodied people who refuse to do even extreme primals among strangers. I'm not saying players with disabilities should wait for full premades or anything, just that they consider (as everyone should consider, really) whether they can make a fair contribution to a group. If they feel they can, by all means queue, but be aware that they will be held responsible for their numbers the same way everyone else in the party will. Most parties I've seen don't mind one person's numbers being low as long as things are going smoothly. Or they can make friends and try to push through with steady teamwork among understanding friends.

Yea but teamwork or not if you're doing 900 dps in faust you're not going to get anywhere. And throwing yourself at it over and over isn't going to magically teamwork your way to victory.

Just because someone has a disability, it doesn't excuse them from having to put out the same performance as someone who does not.

Eh, going to respond to these two parts together. I'm totally fine with people with slight disabilities (y'know, not quadriplegic or anything) joining statics that are willing to work with them. If the static is willing to wait a little I see it as perfectly valid. And as long as the disabled person is putting forth about the same level of effort as the others (even if the result's not the same), then I don't consider it a carry, really.

[Kumori_Kumo]

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Good.
God.
Video games for the elite are too important to let the disabled escape their lives for a minute even in a random pick-up group. Cool.
I want off this planet.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

. . . can't you try and be a little patient with those of us at the start of a pretty steep learning curve.

Let me put your mind at ease, Elladie.

People like yourself are the ones I have absolute patience for. BECAUSE you're trying. I was completely new to MMOs when I started this; I pushed myself to become good, and once there, become better. And while I did it without parsers, I'd imagine being able to see the numerical results of my efforts would've only gotten me where I wanted to be much quicker and more efficiently. But I would be the last person to dump on someone learning a different job (and I only FINALLY leveled BLM in 2.5. Until then, I didn't get it either, lol.)

One last note: Do NOT give up, especially based on what someone else says. If you're not good now, keep trying, keep leveling, and keep practicing. I tell people all the time, if you by chance catch me at a training dummy, I'm not screwing around. I'm actually practicing and refining what I know. Hitting 60/ilvl210 or whatever is nothing but a foundation to build upon. Build YOURSELF up.