The Real Problem with Parsers

[Kumori_Kumo]

I don't want to be spending a million hours

Three.

6 30 minute dungeons a week = three hours.
Cut that down by half, you saved one and a half hours in a week.

Just ask the clowns that got carried in my static

>Static
>Casuals
Inigo Montoya meme.

Why are random people not able to create parties?

Because they don't have statics. Or groups. Or they're in the 10,000 man FCs where asking for a single thing is like shouting at a wall. All of this is just a distraction, of course, from the fact that the DF is there for people who don't have parties. End of story.

[Clarkamite]

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Is there a reason that someone in a Static can't be casual? Define casual. I was under the impression that it was someone who took a Casual approach to the game. Well that sums up some of the people in my static alright. Raiding 4 hours a week is pretty casual.

I still don't understand how random people can't make parties. I have a static that runs once a week. Twice if we're lucky. That's all they do. I seem to create parties for other content (without them) just fine. Party Finder is there for a reason.

Technically, they give you 90 minutes to do the dungeon, and anything faster than that is "quickly".
Like how entitled do you have even be to feel that thirty minutes of your day is just too long to spend with those filthy casuals?

Also if that's how you speak about your static, maybe you should get a new one. You shouldn't speak of your teammates like they don't matter.

You know that's a great point. You shouldn't speak of your teammates that way. If they acted like a team then I would wholeheartedly agree with you but it's not. I'm one of a few putting in the time to help us succeed. Were it so easy to replace them, we might have.

You're putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about "filthy casuals" and if it weren't for the character limit you would have seen how I added on to what I initially posted. I'm not going to vote kick a new person. I'm not going to even mention it. I'm not going to like it, because I have other shit I have to do besides run a dungeon. You can't paint me as some evil hardcore douche because I'm not. You can't be mad at me for having an opinion differing from yours. Especially when I don't go out of my way to attack you. I shared my opinion. I'm not one to abuse the privilege of having a parse, but you're still going to tell me no and that's all my point was. You can't make an argument 100%. There's gray areas.

You can argue all you want about how much time is actually being saved and say it's only an hour and a half each week but that's an extra hour and a half. I could do a lot with that extra hour.

[Kumori_Kumo]

I could do a lot with that extra hour.

You have enough free time to talk on this forum. You're fine.

Define casual.

The majority of the players in this game. See previous statistics on raid clears.

Party Finder is there for a reason

Duty Finder is there for a reason.

[Clarkamite]

You have enough free time to talk on this forum. You're fine.



The majority of the players in this game. See previous statistics on raid clears.



Duty Finder is there for a reason.

Actually, I'm at work. Just one of my two jobs, where I do happen to have enough freedom to bring my computer with me and browse the forums from time to time. You didn't address my comment that you can be casual and in a static at all. At no point have I ever said that Duty Finder couldn't be used by anyone. You're arguing me on something that I'm not even arguing. I'm saying making a party is a two way street. The people who want to be hyper exclusive and assholes can use it just the same as people who are "casuals."

[Viridiana]

The majority of the players in this game. See previous statistics on raid clears.

So, you're defining "casual" differently than the typically agreed upon definition, which is "plays less than (x amount of) hours per week." Because a lot of people can be casual and still clear content, if we go off of the normal definition.

[seraseth]

So, you're defining "casual" differently than the typically agreed upon definition, which is "plays less than (x amount of) hours per week." Because a lot of people can be casual and still clear content, if we go off of the normal definition.

Veering kinda off topic here, but I've noticed that casual->hardcore seemed to be used as terms by people for two entirely different scales (time spent in game, and difficulty of content completely/enjoyed). And it's constantly confusing people as to which scale they're talking about.

I think gamers need to use the old dnd 3x3 alignment grid style, with time on one side and difficulty on the other, and come up with a new set of terms so everyone can know they're on the same page :P
(For the record, totally chaotic evil)

As for on topic, I don't see how anyone could have a problem with parsing on test dummies, or a gold saucer combat arena with fake fights(possibly mimicking some patterns of bosses) and parsing. I also don't think most people would have a problem with a summary at the end of the dungeon similar to pvp ones.

I personally don't have a problem with parsers available at will, as long as there are firm rules about harassment that are enforced. But I can understand why there is some concern, hence the above 'middle of the road' possibilities.