The Real Problem with Parsers

[hallena]

You need a parser to see someone's failing that hard in a four-man?

No but the same could be said with your argument. Why are you against parsing when you can already tell when someone is terrible?

Then go make a preformed group and run it with that group. The DF is not your personal crucible.

Nether is your. I shouldn't have to make a premade to expect people to know basic informations about their jobs. If you want a jolly cooperation slow run with no pressure, you make a premade

[Kumori_Kumo]

I shouldn't have to make a premade to expect people to know basic informations about their jobs.

Here's the thing you are critically failing to understand.
Casual players, AKA the bad ones you hate? They are the lifeblood of this game. Being exceptional by its very nature makes you the minority whether you like it or not. The moment the majority of those players feel like this game is full of hostile assholes who kick them for not playing well enough? They stop playing, they stop paying, and poof. Your game is gone.
So yes, it does fall on you. And me. And everyone, to tolerate (or, gasp, try to help improve) subpar play.

[hallena]

Here's the thing you are critically failing to understand.
Casual players, AKA the bad ones you hate? They are the lifeblood of this game. Being exceptional by its very nature makes you the minority whether you like it or not. The moment the majority of those players feel like this game is full of hostile assholes who kick them for not playing well enough? They stop playing, they stop paying, and poof. Your game is gone.
So yes, it does fall on you. And me. And everyone, to tolerate (or, gasp, try to help improve) subpar play.

Here"s the thing you fail to understand. Casuals doesn't mean bad. I have dozens of casual friends on my server who can both do well in savage and pull 1.1-1.2k+ in dungeons. There is a difference between casual and bad. Learn it

[Kumori_Kumo]

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Okay look.
Nobody is arguing that you can't kick someone who's obviously playing so badly you can't pass through a simple dungeon.
If you're making it through just fine, however, and you still kick someone partway in because their numbers didn't please you? You deserve to have the book thrown at you.

[hallena]

Okay look.
Nobody is arguing that you can't kick someone who's obviously playing so badly you can't pass through a simple dungeon.
If you're making it through just fine, however, and you still kick someone partway in because their numbers didn't please you? You deserve to have the book thrown at you.

As i said, if someone is in similar gear, which mean he has done part of savage at the very least and cannot pull reasonable numbers, this person is being lazy and expect other people to do most of the work for them. im not gonna spend 30-35minutes in fractal so im kicking that person. There's nothing else to argue about. The bad players can leave this game for all i care, that only mean less *pls nerf literally everything* thread on the general forum

[Kumori_Kumo]

im not gonna spend 30-35minutes in fractal so im kicking that person.

So to recap, you think
-30 minutes in a dungeon is intolerable
-Casual players are doing Savage despite the fact that at most 20% of people cleared T9, and
-Random people who cannot make parties should make parties rather than use the Duty Finder, the purpose of which is to compose a random party.

Wow.
Just wow.
I guess I'll have to take solace in the fact that the actual devs agree with me, and hope you get caught doing this.

[Aiselia]

I guess I'll have to take solace in the fact that the actual devs agree with me, and hope you get caught doing this.

You can also take solace in the fact that Hallena's attitude shown here is actually a perfect example of the type of people who shouldn't be allowed to use parsers.

[Clarkamite]

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To respond:
-30 Minutes in a dungeon that shouldn't take 30 minutes is definitely intolerable. I've got other things to do, it's bad enough I have to run like 5 experts a week even after clearing savage.
-There are definitely casual players doing Savage. Just ask the clowns that got carried in my static and are continuing to get carried now.
-Why are random people not able to create parties? Is there no Party Finder in this game? No option to shout? Tell? Yell?

I'm about as open of a player as one could be. If I see a new guy in the dungeon who doesn't have a lot of gear and is clear he's still in the process of farming Law, I'm not gonna harass the guy. I'm just going to play that much harder so that the dungeon is that much shorter. I have a life outside of this game.

Lord knows I love this game but I don't want to be spending a million hours doing a trivial task like running my 14th damn Neverreap of the week because I'm a BLM and to SE that means please give me Neverreap every single time. No no no, I want to get out of there as soon as possible.

You can also take solace in the fact that Hallena's attitude shown here is actually a perfect example of the type of people who shouldn't be allowed to use parsers.

What about me? Can I use a parser? Can I see my numbers after each run? Why do I have to be bothered to ask my friends after every single clear what I was at? And what about when they aren't parsing? I'm just supposed to be like, "Well, I guess I'll never know how to min max my own rotations and fights." Sure, I'm good, but you're telling me I'm not allowed to make improvements and be the absolute best I can be.

I've never harassed anyone about their numbers. I've pretty much never harassed anyone until they started attacking me. But, you don't want people to have the option to step on your toes about something legitimate with evidence, so instead I have to be the one who's toes are getting stepped on. I tell you what, if anyone ever comes at me and is like, "Fire, your numbers are bad. Git gud." I would be like, ok thanks. I'm not going to go cry about it. Instead I'd be fighting to get the option to see my own numbers and work on it myself so I'm not wasting other peoples time.

And no, a dummy parse isn't going to do that for me. All that's going to tell me is my rotation is bad or good. I can have a great rotation but zero raid awareness and my dummy parse isn't going to mean much. I can hit 1400-1600 on a dummy with buffs but what good is that if I'm some scrub hitting 700 in a1s?

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Here"s the thing you fail to understand. Casuals doesn't mean bad. I have dozens of casual friends on my server who can both do well in savage and pull 1.1-1.2k+ in dungeons. There is a difference between casual and bad. Learn it

This. SO much this.

Don't demonize parsers because of a few people that would abuse them. Knowing just how much DPS you're doing can be a stepping stone to learning how to improve and be. . . well, less "casual".

[MoonlitSilhouette]

Here"s the thing you fail to understand. Casuals doesn't mean bad. I have dozens of casual friends on my server who can both do well in savage and pull 1.1-1.2k+ in dungeons. There is a difference between casual and bad. Learn it

Then they aren't casuals if they're doing Savage