The Real Problem with Parsers

[Fourbestintoner]

No point making a slow run even slower by fighting back, especially when you can get banned for it if you say too much. I often get harassed in expert for being a ninja, lol no aoe, lol no damage. I shrug it off and continue carrying the group, it is hilarious when coming from a dps doing less damage than a full vit pld though.

[ForbiddenMonk]

To be honest, the duration of a dungeon run is more dependent on the tank than dps. Dps could be subpar but if that douche tank is taking his sweet time pulling and waiting, dungeon runs will be over 60mins plus. All my experiences with ridiculously long dungeon runs have been at the fault of slow tanks. All dungeons are designed with low dps checks, if any. In the case of a subpar dps, we are given a LB to help with the very low dps check. Yay for personal parsers, nay for global parsers. If you want to check/compare with others dps, the FF14 community was given this site for that very reason. FFlogs.com

[Kabooa]

Jesus.

Cheese-grating.

Christ.

As long as hard enrages exist based on meeting DPS checks, a method to objectively measure DPS output is required. It's that simple.

It doesn't matter the form. Personal, public, public opt-in, dummy. It's needed. Whether or not people use it is on them, but the tool needs to be there. Plain and simple.

It shouldn't take 77 god damn pages to figure this out, people.

[Kitfox]

As long as hard enrages exist based on meeting DPS checks, a method to objectively measure DPS output is required. It's that simple.

It doesn't matter the form. Personal, public, public opt-in, dummy. It's needed. Whether or not people use it is on them, but the tool needs to be there. Plain and simple.

It shouldn't take 77 god damn pages to figure this out, people.

If only the devs thought the same.

[Zojha]

As long as hard enrages exist based on meeting DPS checks, a method to objectively measure DPS output is required. It's that simple.

The devs heard you.

And intend to remove all hard enrages based on DPS checks.

[Ossom]

The devs heard you.

And intend to remove all hard enrages based on DPS checks.

Lmao, this will be hilarious if they get rid of dps checks. You know what the new meta is 3 Warriors an 1 Whm 1 Astr and 3 Schs. Why would you bring a DPS when Tanks and Heales can put up 1/2s to 2/3s what a DPS can and still bring so much more to the table.

[ShanaShirayuki]

-Yes he did, I dont know why you quote me for answering him and then go on by saying stuff thats unrelated. There will always be people to care less than you do and it actually is their right.


-No they do not need you to tell them "omg wtf u so bad bro"


-Sure its EASIER and MORE EFFECTIVE with direct comparison via global parse, but first and foremost they need to know their own performance that only they will know so they dont have to fear embarassment, harassment and what not. They are easygoing and want to be pampered not abused, disrespected or talked down to. Denying these downsides exist for horribads is again, NOT realistic.

-"Oh come on as if people would really ride on others for their numbers and performance if there were global parsers". You do it every second line of your posts and then say it wasnt a problem. Nuts. Bonkers. Cuckooo

1. You were indirectly asking someone else to get involved with an entitled comment such as "it's my game, get out of my game and stick with PF, friend's list, etc." Also, I did mention that there would be those who would not care, so thanks for reiterating my point.

2. Yes, there are those that do this, but lumping everyone else who constructively use a parser in with the bad apples is fear-mongering. Plain and simple.

3. They need to know the context of their damage in comparison with others, otherwise if they see they're doing 600 DPS instead of the 1000 they should be with their current gear, they'll think they are doing fine. Your comments are very patronizing as well as laced with the same fear-mongering that I addressed earlier.

4. Again, harassment DOES happen, I never denied such. Lastly, your insults only weaken the point you're trying to make.

[TiaHeart]

It doesn't matter the form. Personal, public, public opt-in, dummy

And now assume you were in charge for a second. You put a parser in the game, ok I got that and its A GREAT idea. What does it look like tho. It will actually have to look like something

It shouldn't take 77 god damn pages to figure this out, people.

Yes the fact that parsers in general do not exist for a wider audience while they do for all who care to make additional efforts (or be on pc) is stupid. All the debating I have seen was weighing the pros n cons for what form, and mentality displays. Since you evade any specific standpoint, have one more like xD

For me hard enrages do not exist in DF (they way i use it. I use pf too, obviously.). I dont get to see them. Guess I still dont need a global parser everywhere in the game at all times,
while i upvoted it optionally in pf content (just another checkmark and symbol to show a global parser will make every players performance transparent). Feel free to detect "weak links" where required. Like bis ex or as or whatever youre thinkin of.
Its not fear mongering at all.
Its just that the main purpose i see BEYOND personal parsers AND optional globals, basically saying YOU want a global for "everyone everywhere everytim, wether THEY want it or not" is pointing fingers a la "this run usually takes 20 mins now its 50. Some bad players are stealing my precious time by not performing to a standard i expect. These players are <names here>". The frame set by the game doesnt expect this standard.

To the above: I said im out. Its useless. Wont recycle the same words over an over. Ive been there and done that already. And yes i asked people with ellbow or pointing fingers mentality to stay out of "my game" (->the df). I will do so everytime again. I dont like ellbows. Theres a system in place with pf and blacklist to set your own standards to every single game you play. DF is a place where different standards meet, and unless theres a valid reason to (i agree with hard enrage cuz its a game standard not a personal one. Same applies to overthetop derpy t n h), putting people down its harassment in my eyes.

[Sidra]

To be honest, the duration of a dungeon run is more dependent on the tank than dps. Dps could be subpar but if that douche tank is taking his sweet time pulling and waiting, dungeon runs will be over 60mins plus. All my experiences with ridiculously long dungeon runs have been at the fault of slow tanks. All dungeons are designed with low dps checks, if any. In the case of a subpar dps, we are given a LB to help with the very low dps check. Yay for personal parsers, nay for global parsers. If you want to check/compare with others dps, the FF14 community was given this site for that very reason. FFlogs.com

FFLogs can't exist without players using ACT - which is the entire point of an in game parser: to give players the amazing benefit and better overall gameplay experience and understanding things like ACT and fflogs provide without having to resort to an external tool.

[AriaEnia]

Better overall game experience is still questionable with parser's existence.