The Real Problem with Parsers

[Archaell]

If only it were so simple. You know 90 percent of those casuals wont care to make the effort to file a report? They just think the game is shit, not because the game, but because the players are. They know one way to #dealwithit is move on and maybe do better things with their time. You expect everyone to involve to care as much as you do. THAT is not "too realistic"

No, actually I do agree with you. If they decide not to use the report feature - it is their choice. That's what is this all about - about giving players choices and information.

Well you can try to kick them for harassment if you feel sb is just expecting you to farm for them. Sounds like harassment. If you need a parser to proof your suspection, it cant be that bad.

I can't tell when one dps is doing 75% of damage and the other one 25%. So it is not really an option. If all of them are doing 25%... well it is time to leave as the game is no longer fun when there are soft enrages... which is another issue.

The longer the fight takes the more strain it causes for the healer. If the healer fails... "healer why no heal?!?" Try to explain to them that boss is getting increased damage the longer the fight lasts and that your mana isn't unlimited.

Like what I said, quick to judge. Even if you're doing sub par dps, doesn't mean that you aren't trying to improve, some people are in the process of improving. Some people are struggling to play the so called best rotation, but that doesn't mean they aren't trying to learn it, but from what I see frequently, those parser people just kick them "wtf are you doing, ur dps number is so low, stop playing go uninstall", vote kick them.

I haven't seen this happen once. I have seen "dps is shit" followed by leave tho.

With help of parser we can help these players who are willing to improve. That's pretty much what it is. Everyone can play the same way they do now... but then others can see their contribution. I am certain that more players are going to help someone underperforming - rather than mock them and kick them right after it. That's how much i believe in this community.

[TiaHeart]

No, actually I do agree with you. If they decide not to use the report feature - it is their choice. That's what is this all about

Hmm? I dont get it. Sure they have the choice to report. But the majority of those getting harassed are the people that arent tight-buttcheeks-tryhards who will make the efforts. Thats normal and has to expected, so the correct course of action from devside is to prevent harassment of those making little efforts and ask the others to make big efforts if they plan to harass someone via global parser. I dont think we agree here. Choices are good for those who care to invest, not those who dont.

The longer...

Use pf. Dont ask for a global parser in sastasha. Let the newbs try to improve via personal parser. I dont see it

That's how much i believe in this community.

Ok, well I... Dont lol

[randysquirrel]

So last night I join a Bis Ex clear party. It's one of the four cards I still need so thought I'd give it a go. I saw it was a clear party, but thought I'd try anyway.

We get in, and someone says they have watched a vid and it is the exact same as HM, just things hit harder. Obviously I should've spoken up then, but thought I'd go one run and see how we get on. Early wipe to not even getting the carapace to maybe 30%. I speak up, explain the first phase is just two low adds to kill as normal trash, healz get the barrier when Bis lowers, and then DKs when they are up. That goes OK, but carapace still nowhere near one-shot. Next try, I explain dps need to step up and can hold their CDs for that specific point, and you need to be on Bis to damage it. BRD blows every CD immediately; EVERY CD, raging,quelling, hawkseye, swift foot (whatever its called) and IR. Not sure why as I just explained to hold them. Same again, don't meet dps check. Last try, I don't notice any obvious "mistakes" but we are still miles away from breaking the carapace. Everyone is in i170 gear minimum. I explain there is not really any more to say, it is just a dps check which for some reason we cannot meet. Disband.

tl:dr I have no idea who was not pulling their weight, clearly at least some weren't. I do not see how people can say a parser would not help in this situation

[Anze-chan]

I think I met more toxic bad dps players than friendly good dps players. Like in almost every dungeon, all them bad dps players complaining about how low the dps is meanwhile a lot of good players being very quiet and doing a proper carry to the whole group. It gets very funny sometimes how the bad dps complains and are completely unaware of the parses. Makes them look extremely stupid. If people are really feeling insecure about their dps and refuse to have an official parser to stay safe from all the "toxic behavior" then please get real. As for those who wanna slack and don't want fingers being pointed at them, I will just say, what goes around comes around.

[Fourbestintoner]

No point making a slow run even slower by fighting back, especially when you can get banned for it if you say too much. I often get harassed in expert for being a ninja, lol no aoe, lol no damage. I shrug it off and continue carrying the group, it is hilarious when coming from a dps doing less damage than a full vit pld though.

[ForbiddenMonk]

To be honest, the duration of a dungeon run is more dependent on the tank than dps. Dps could be subpar but if that douche tank is taking his sweet time pulling and waiting, dungeon runs will be over 60mins plus. All my experiences with ridiculously long dungeon runs have been at the fault of slow tanks. All dungeons are designed with low dps checks, if any. In the case of a subpar dps, we are given a LB to help with the very low dps check. Yay for personal parsers, nay for global parsers. If you want to check/compare with others dps, the FF14 community was given this site for that very reason. FFlogs.com

[Sidra]

To be honest, the duration of a dungeon run is more dependent on the tank than dps. Dps could be subpar but if that douche tank is taking his sweet time pulling and waiting, dungeon runs will be over 60mins plus. All my experiences with ridiculously long dungeon runs have been at the fault of slow tanks. All dungeons are designed with low dps checks, if any. In the case of a subpar dps, we are given a LB to help with the very low dps check. Yay for personal parsers, nay for global parsers. If you want to check/compare with others dps, the FF14 community was given this site for that very reason. FFlogs.com

FFLogs can't exist without players using ACT - which is the entire point of an in game parser: to give players the amazing benefit and better overall gameplay experience and understanding things like ACT and fflogs provide without having to resort to an external tool.

[ForbiddenMonk]

FFLogs can't exist without players using ACT - which is the entire point of an in game parser: to give players the amazing benefit and better overall gameplay experience and understanding things like ACT and fflogs provide without having to resort to an external tool.

your need to troll is strong. please read the sentence before that.

[Tsilyi]

your need to necro is strong

hello thread from the beginning of november

[Kabooa]

Jesus.

Cheese-grating.

Christ.

As long as hard enrages exist based on meeting DPS checks, a method to objectively measure DPS output is required. It's that simple.

It doesn't matter the form. Personal, public, public opt-in, dummy. It's needed. Whether or not people use it is on them, but the tool needs to be there. Plain and simple.

It shouldn't take 77 god damn pages to figure this out, people.