The Real Problem with Parsers

[Aiselia]

So by that logic we should also get rid of examining other people's gear, because people get shamed and discriminated against rampantly due to their gear, right?

By what logic?

Your question has nothing to do with what you quoted.

Examining gear has objectively more uses and benefits than a parser. I already demolished that argument ages ago the last time you tried "Well, X can be abused too, so X should be removed."

[StouterTaru]

By what logic?

Your question has nothing to do with what you quoted.

Examining gear has objectively more uses and benefits than a parser. I already demolished that argument ages ago the last time you tried "Well, X can be abused too, so X should be removed."

Your argument (the part I quoted) was that people are going to harass others based on low dps.

Examining gear has objectively fewer uses than knowing how much someone is contributing to a run. All gear shows you is what they can be doing, while parsing shows what they are doing.

You demolished nothing, I never used that argument before.

[Archaell]

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Okay, clearly parsers are going to turn everybody into an elitist zombie tunnel visioning numbers.

I am not obsessed with the numbers, but I do seek equality. Equal accountability for every single member of the group.

How are you going to prevent one person in the group, when you have no metric, no idea who it is, to stop wasting other players' time? How are you going to enforce that every person does their part in fights required by the game itself? Suggestions are welcomed.

[Aiselia]

Okay, clearly parsers are going to turn everybody into an elitist zombie tunnel visioning numbers.

That seems like an awfully big exaggeration to make. You should avoid making bad arguments like that.

How are you going to prevent one person in the group, when you have no metric, no idea who it is, to stop wasting other players' time? How are you going to enforce that every person does their part in fights required by the game itself? Suggestions are welcomed.

In content where it matters, like raids and such? With parsers. Which is why I support them. Which I said in the post you quoted.

[Archaell]

That seems like an awfully big exaggeration to make. You should avoid making bad arguments like that.

In content where it matters, like raids and such? With parsers. Which is why I support them.

Wait... are you trying to tell me that time of hardcore raiders is more valuable than time of casual players in Duty Finder?

Here is the thing. The group's well being should come first over the comfort and laziness of individuals. It doesn't matter what kind of content it is.

If somebody is being toxic with parser numbers - you can kick them. If somebody is watching Netflix - you can kick them. Equality.

And for the record I never kick players from groups, but if they are showing lack of effort I do consider leaving them to their own devices.

[segagamer]

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All you're doing is trying to justify being able to get away with doing turd dps while tanks/healers will be immediately kicked for being bad at tanking and healing.

[Aiselia]

All you're doing is trying to justify being able to get away with doing turd dps while tanks/healers will be immediately kicked for being bad at tanking and healing.

Please point out to me where I said this.

Start at the point where I stated that parsers can be important tools for self-improvement and absolutely are useful in content where there's actual DPS checks that matter.

[Stupiduglytaru]

The day and weeks to follow when mch dropped, the community hated this class and lots of people recieved abuse or were outright excluded from content due to job choice.

I myself had first hand experience of being called out in the early days of Alex normal when a wipe happened due to failed dps check.

A mnk immediately said kick the mch they are shit dps to whicha healer in the group said, you do realize this mch is 300dps above you?

Food for thought.

Non parser users are quick enough to point the finger without having any evidence to back it up.

[Kaurhz]

I'm no seasoned veteran player, more casual (In this case, only play occasionally, and often when multi tasking)

The community for the most part is already destroyed. A fair portion of raiders are elitist monkeys. That said, the biggest problem really isn't the parses, but more so the people using them, so most anger is completely misguided. You're going to have elitist brats on any game, regardless. In most cases I'd be for parsers, only to the extent that they can help players unfamiliar with their classes, for whatever reason. Assuming it's used in the right hands.

There's plenty of segregation already in the community. Can't see parsers making the situation much worse than it already is. Particularly with Square-Enix pretty much promoting them with their silly idea of having raids heavily based around high damage output requirements as opposed to proper mechanics(This is on the assumption that most elitist players already use parsers).

[TiaHeart]

Also it is easy to see when dps aren't doing "enough". You fail included dps checks or the timelimit. Else they did enough. Objectively. I prefer the devs and game to set the bar. Not you. I hope they dont listen to you.