The Real Problem with Parsers

[RiceisNice]

The problem with parsing in this game is that the bosses disappear and reappear or jump or whatever. Someone could lose 50+ dps based on the add placement on oppressor. The first boss in neverreap (people do parse expert roulette) disappears before my wildfire will go off. Monk and dragoon have gap closers that bring them back to the boss faster than ninja who has a ground targeted gap closer instead of an instant one. After studying damage meters for basically 10 years in wow theres a ton of variables involved. A lot of people have no idea about variables due to randomness and periods of inactivity.

Theres a gear disparity as well. Just because I have full eso gear doesnt mean that i should be able to dog someone in 180/190 gear and that doesnt mean someone in 210 gear should be able to dog someone lower than that. On top of this ive seen people use raid food and potions in expert.

This being said I think its passed time for one to be in game because it basically already is.

But what context are you trying to capture? Parsers aren't just there for competition. Comparing dps between two players is fine as long as they both have the courtesy to keep it in context (unlike myself where I'll bust my friend's MNK for doing less than my warrior).

And even with all those variables, there's a difference between doing less dps because the fight doesn't allow it, and doing less dps because they're doing something outrageously wrong or just not trying at all.

[JackFross]

The problem with parsing in this game is that the bosses disappear and reappear or jump or whatever. Someone could lose 50+ dps based on the add placement on oppressor. The first boss in neverreap (people do parse expert roulette) disappears before my wildfire will go off. Monk and dragoon have gap closers that bring them back to the boss faster than ninja who has a ground targeted gap closer instead of an instant one. After studying damage meters for basically 10 years in wow theres a ton of variables involved. A lot of people have no idea about variables due to randomness and periods of inactivity.

Theres a gear disparity as well. Just because I have full eso gear doesnt mean that i should be able to dog someone in 180/190 gear and that doesnt mean someone in 210 gear should be able to dog someone lower than that. On top of this ive seen people use raid food and potions in expert.

This being said I think its passed time for one to be in game because it basically already is.

The thing is... If you have full esoterics gear and are in the same instance with someone playing your class and rocking 180-190 gear with Law or Hive weapon, and you lose to them, you're bad. The gear difference *is* that great to make up for any minor losses you might pick up here or there. And keep in mind that, if it's the same instance, your friend is also picking up those same issues as you are. Assuming neither of you die and you get an approximately even number of A3 tethers (and you didn't eat every single Quarantine...), there's nothing significant enough to shear that 150-200 dps difference away, unless you are playing strictly worse than the less-geared DPS beside you.

So yeah, while an i200 DRG can't tell that i190 DRG who's pulling 100 less than him to GIT GUD, if that dps is reversed, the i190 guy should be allowed to spit that at the i200 without backlash.

And as far as bosses disappearing, it's all about maximizing the fight. The opening phase of that first boss in Neverreap isn't even enough for two full combos to go off, so why are you popping buffs? The second time he's back, he sticks around for nearly 30s, if not longer, so *THAT* is when you should drop your full opener. I rarely finish that boss sub-800 and most pug dps I get can't seem to crest 400. That to me comes across as them just not caring to do well on the fight, probably because they can't see how poorly they're doing.


Nobody argues about the variables that go into it, but when you're in an instance with someone else, and you can manage a certain threshold of damage while the other person is struggling to do even 1/3 of that, something has to be done. If in-game parsers can raise the average score of DF dps by even 50%, I'd be happy.

I'm a firm believer of everyone should play the way they wanna play and have fun with the game their own way. Some people play casually and aren't gonna push 1400-1500 dps on that first boss in Fractal. Fine. But there's a fine line between "playing my way" and "playing in such a way that I am no better than dead weight." I don't expect every DPS I encounter in DF to beat my 900-950 PLD dps on that same boss. But if I see a dps pulling 300-400, rather than, like, at least 600-700, which is *EASY* with *EVERY DPS CLASS* at i160+, I would really like to be able to kick that person for, simply, not doing their job.

Or, I would at LEAST like to be able to say "look your dps is low you should try and work on your rotation" without running the risk of being reported, banned, or yelled at because "I PLAY HOW I WANT." Harder to say that when I tell them "Bro, the Paladin with less gear than you just did twice your damage."

[NamoNanamo]

So yeah, while an i200 DRG can't tell that i190 DRG who's pulling 100 less than him to GIT GUD, if that dps is reversed, the i190 guy should be allowed to spit that at the i200 without backlash.

No, you still don't have the right to spit at him, even if you are clearly better.
YOu can state the fact he is underperforming but in No way, to be an asshole and spit to him.

Everybody need to respect each other. And if you find someone who's is that bad. You can always kick him. (You don't need parser to explain what's wrong)
Or left the party. You can also play with friends.

[JackFross]

No, you still don't have the right to spit at him, even if you are clearly better.
YOu can state the fact he is underperforming but in No way, to be an asshole and spit to him.

I gave unintended connotations to that comment, by bad. D:

I was merely saying that if you're i190 and out-performing an i200 DRG, you should be able to point it out to him without fear of banning if you prove your statement. I just worded it poorly; I didn't mean spit on him, I meant spit numbers at him to show him he could be better. Without an in-game parser, the only way to definitively PROVE that he's underperforming is with an illegal tool.

[RussW]

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I think youre missing the point. I was pointing out reasons that parsers should exist in the game, and using wildfire as an example due to its 15s timer as a variable that could lower someones dps as in other people may not realize that. I never said I pop CDs I was using that as a hypothetical.

Youre entire post could be used as an argument against parsers.

[Stupiduglytaru]

All these pages........

As a PS4 player I have had to resort to buying a laptop and making an alt for self parses, well not entirely for that reason. A parser will not make you a better player at all, learning rotations and your job will only do that.

However tweaking rotations to try and improve can only be seen by a parser, (yes you can sit there a work it out with ya pen and paper, be really?) not all rotations guides take into count latency and what not.

If you are really underperforming, a parser isn't required to see your not pulling your weight. Take for instance yesterday, Main story roulette we had a blm whos rotation was the following:

Fire II Fire II Fire II Blizzard III Fire III Blizzard III Fire II Fire II Fire II

I cant run a parser on main but just seeing that screams to me awful dps, was he kicked however? nope.

I've also witnessed parser users who again have incorrect rotations, a DD run where a blm was Fire II Fire II Fire II Fire II transpose blizzard blizzard Fire II Fire II.............

I tried to be as polite as possible in this situation and point out perhaps open with Fire III before your fire II spam, then refresh mp with a blizzard III cast.

"im highest dps here maybe you want to check it before you say something"

The second dps was a ninja, level 30 weapon and no hitting positionals whilst we are fighting 8+ mobs at once.

A parser didn't make this blm better, but what it will show him is when the other dps is a blm and is pumping out double or triple his dps that maybe theres something hes doing wrong.

I just don't understand this crying over peoples figures being shown.

[ShaneDawn]

I agree with the OP.
Having a parser would only make clueless players keep extra high requirements in addition to the absurd ilevel requirements there are for some premade parties or even wrongfully kick newly geared players in expert roulette cause they don't like their number.

Hardly. Clueless people aren't usually very proficient at the game. I don't think most people would ask for higher requirements than they're able to live up to themselves. And considering that most of the players aren't really strong at all, I doubt we would see much "crazy" requirements. Knowing the very basics of your class and performing up to par however? Likely.

[Archaell]

Hardly. Clueless people aren't usually very proficient at the game. I don't think most people would ask for higher requirements than they're able to live up to themselves. And considering that most of the players aren't really strong at all, I doubt we would see much "crazy" requirements. Knowing the very basics of your class and performing up to par however? Likely.

This.

If you can't do at least as much dps as I can then you have no room in my party. Sincerly your White Mage.

[Jamein]

This.

If you can't do at least as much dps as I can then you have no room in my party. Sincerly your White Mage.

Honestly...we make statements like this as a joke but the amount of times I've seen tanks/healers do more DPS than an actual DPS class is just heartbreaking. Q_Q.

[Archaell]

Honestly...we make statements like this as a joke but the amount of times I've seen tanks/healers do more DPS than an actual DPS class is just heartbreaking. Q_Q.

We need global parser as soon as possible.

I am grinding dungeons as DRK atm and it is nuts how many dps players aren't just bad, but they also don't bother to gear up. Who in their sane mind would queue for the vault in their item level 90 gear? It happened to me several times just today... not to mention that they get offended when you tell them to buy better gear. It's really insane I get yelled at for stating the obvious...