The Real Problem with Parsers

[Clarkamite]

Quick note: Even without parsers you can get an idea of who's doing what based on threat gauges. If I see a DRG pop in my expert, with similar (or better) gear than mine, and he's under 50% of my threat for an entire fight, something is seriously wrong.

You can get somewhat of an idea from the hate meter but it's not going to paint you the clearest picture. Take a SMN. They are going to be lower on hate than most jobs just based on the nature of how their damage is. Not only is it split between them and their pet, but since most of it is from DoT's their hate is naturally lower. You can have a job higher on the hate meter than a SMN but actually be pulling less DPS.

[Cynfael]

Another anti-parser thread by a well-intentioned, yet ill-informed player....

/takes a shot

[ajx]

I agree with the OP.
Having a parser would only make clueless players keep extra high requirements in addition to the absurd ilevel requirements there are for some premade parties or even wrongfully kick newly geared players in expert roulette cause they don't like their number.

[Viridiana]

Having a parser would only make clueless players keep extra high requirements in addition to the absurd ilevel requirements there are for some premade parties

I'd rather be kicked based on a useful metric than a useless one. This argument actually better supports the pro-parsing side.

[Yaichiro]

I don't quite understand the hate towards parsers. No one would care much about parser if the game didn't have DPS check. The game is designed for people to perform perfect rotations not 3 not 4 members in the party but almost every player (Tank and healer DPS is a thing to take into account now) has to do the perfect rotation.

I have hardly heard about anyone using parsers outside pre-mades such as Savage or farming groups. Why should people carry those who are bad and can't perform? For the very least I am not entitled to waste my time on people who aren't trying hard to get good at their classes especially when one person can ruin the efforts of the rest 7 players. 50 less DPS from general is not an issue while 100 less DPS might be due to simple slips but lets face it 200 less DPS is something that should never happen.

To sum it up, as long we have DPS checks we're gonna need all party members to perform perfect rotations and thus parsers are important and will be used.

[Bobkitty]

Outside of bosses with DPS checks, it's unlikely you'd get removed from a party for not hitting high enough. Now with unsync, you can even get away with it in 2.0 trials/raids if you know the mechanics.

[Gorlioliolio]

Since I've seen this whole "take the parse out of context" thing being repeated in the past 5 pages, combined with the support from the same people for a personal or dummy only parser let me try to lay this out for you.

IN WHAT WAY IS A DUMMY PARSE OR PERSONAL PARSE EVER GOING TO BE IN CONTEXT IF YOU HAVE NO ONE TO COMPARE IT TO.

The only way to gain the context is constantly going into DF with other dps, check their gear and see how they perform in relation to you. Pretty much everyone knows a bard/mch in equal gear will be pulling slightly less than other dps classes (honestly it isn't THAT much of a difference). So keeping that in mind people can use it to improve. I still stand by all my earlier statements, if someone in i200+ gear is pulling less dps than a fresh 60 they can gtfo of my group for wasting my time.

[Aiselia]

IN WHAT WAY IS A DUMMY PARSE OR PERSONAL PARSE EVER GOING TO BE IN CONTEXT IF YOU HAVE NO ONE TO COMPARE IT TO.

Those that care to improve can find relevant numbers on the internet or ask others for useful information. Those that don't care will ignore it either way.

The only way to gain the context is constantly going into DF with other dps, check their gear and see how they perform in relation to you.

And if you can't guarantee that the other person is also playing optimally (which you can't or else this wouldn't be a big argument), then that context is worthless.

I mean, honestly, the whole argument that you need context in DF groups to improve is defeated by the same reasoning that a majority of players are low quality and do bad DPS. Either context in duty finder groups is important because you're being grouped consistently with people who ARE pulling good numbers, or the context in duty finder groups is unimportant because a majority of what you'll get are other bad players. Pick one. You can't have both.

(honestly it isn't THAT much of a difference)

Which not everybody knows. Especially if they don't already use the internet to know the correct numbers.

they can gtfo of my group for wasting my time.

They have as much a right to be in that group as you do if you used DF. You don't own the group. And if you ever tried to kick a DPS for pulling low numbers in a run I'm tanking, you'd shortly find yourself outside the dungeon.

[Archaell]

I mean, honestly, the whole argument that you need context in DF groups to improve is defeated by the same reasoning that a majority of players are low quality and do bad DPS. Either context in duty finder groups is important because you're being grouped consistently with people who ARE pulling good numbers, or the context in duty finder groups is unimportant because a majority of what you'll get are other bad players. Pick one. You can't have both.

I don't know how would you feel, but if I was doing 700 DPS while matched with players doing 400, I would feel really good about my performance (in case I wouldn't read forums and guides to have additional data)... until I would meet somebody doing 1000 DPS with the same job and gear. It doesn't matter if it would happen only once in blue moon, but the second I would see the difference I would be all around forums trying to figure out what could be done to get closer to the better guy.

If enough of players do this, then your average dps in DF must logically increase, which also means that more and more groups would expect the standard to be higher.

[Whiteroom]

Those that care to improve can find relevant numbers on the internet or ask others for useful information. Those that don't care will ignore it either way.

And if you can't guarantee that the other person is also playing optimally (which you can't or else this wouldn't be a big argument), then that context is worthless.

I mean, honestly, the whole argument that you need context in DF groups to improve is defeated by the same reasoning that a majority of players are low quality and do bad DPS. Either context in duty finder groups is important because you're being grouped consistently with people who ARE pulling good numbers, or the context in duty finder groups is unimportant because a majority of what you'll get are other bad players. Pick one. You can't have both.

What? I didn't realise people always got paired with the same groups!?
I mean really, your trolling is failing hard here.