The Real Problem with Parsers

[rappa]

I don't get it. What part of that demanded the use of a parser?

It's called "underperfoming"

[Kuroyasha]

People should stop expecting to be bad with no one saying anything b/c "games" "i play how i wanna" "it can't be me" "elitist."

I don't know where this mentality of " everyone deal with my bad performance or you're a bad person" came from. In the end that is just using a different viewpoint to make oneself psychologically feel better.

[Kemas]

There's nothing wrong with parsers. If you're against then you probably suck and need to read your skill descriptions and invest some time into maximizing your jobs potential- otherwise you're wasting yours and your party's time. I can't wait for everyone to realize this. There shouldn't be a collective sigh of relief when things go smoothly- but that's almost always the case now.

[Archaell]

There's nothing wrong with parsers. If you're against then you probably suck and need to read your skill descriptions and invest some time into maximizing your jobs potential- otherwise you're wasting yours and your party's time. I can't wait for everyone to realize this. There shouldn't be a collective sigh of relief when things go smoothly- but that's almost always the case now.

It has been mentioned that parsers are like guns. They may not kill people, yet they might kill paying customers - which imho is the main reason they are not supported yet. Btw. you are not wasting your time if you are having fun. When the most important thing is to finish the task as fast as possible, then the reward is more important than "fun" and that's completely different problem.

[Arkenne]

I doubt you need a parser to tell just how bad that is, tho...

[hagare]

I am writing this as a plea to SE, and the community.


Do not add parsers of any nature, do not homogenize the game more then it already is. I, like the majority of FF fans play it for the uniqueness of it, the mystery and wonder and of course the lore.

If you add parsers to the game(Or continue to allow things like ACT to function) then you will create a WoW clone which caters to the 1% and leaves the 99% struggling to enjoy the game or see/experience content.


You may increase subs, but you will destroy the community. I don't want to play a "set rotation" or be kicked from groups because my DPS was 50 below the other DPS. I played WoW for 8 years, and ultimatley it was the condescending attitude of people running DPS meters/healing meters that ruined it. It's just not fun.


The game works fine as it is. Please PLEASE keep it this way.

you have to right to play however you like, but the 3/7/23 other people with you also have the right to play how they want.
you have the right to play as an ice mage and refuse to use anything other than ice spells than those other people in your team also has the right to dismiss you.

other people have the right to insult you, look down on you or harass you, but you also have the right to report them, black list them, or vote dismiss them for it.

[DarkmoonVael]

you have to right to play however you like, but the 3/7/23 other people with you also have the right to play how they want.
you have the right to play as an ice mage and refuse to use anything other than ice spells than those other people in your team also has the right to dismiss you.

other people have the right to insult you, look down on you or harass you, but you also have the right to report them, black list them, or vote dismiss them for it.

I like you \o/.


But anyway, with parsers (and here comes a personal opinion) i would like one in game. I dont care if it only tells me how much dps i do, but its a nice tool when used correctly. I would like to improve my performance when possible, and this is a good way to measure it.

[rappa]

Without parser and zero clue how dps are doing, the game gonna be a cesspool where normal content will be nerfed.

A lot of good and average players are avoiding DF. Enough threads about "ice mages", "Heavy Shot bards", "not positional mnk/drg/ninjas",... I enjoyed to use DF, but wipe for low dps, zero performance and apathic players left me a bitter taste. Be lvl 50+ and zero knowledge about your job is disheartening

And no, nobody gonna kick one guy for 50 dps less. Doing 300, 400, 500 dps less yes. It's a mmo, where you play together others persons, you have to acommodate your playstyle or join with friends. All players want bosses and content killed. Underperforming and laziness with unknown is not allowed.

[Aiselia]

Well he definitely had the MIND to improve.

Maybe he thought nobody else would MIND what he was wearing.

But even then you have the off chance that players do not know their primary stats

Which is better served by saying "Hey, I noticed you had mind accessories on. Those specifically increase healing. A bard should be using Dexterity to increase their damage." And not "dude, what is the reason to use mind accessories in a bard, Votekick attempt, facepalm".

Thats why I even mentioned that this screenshot is a terrible example to prove either side on whether or not having a parser is good.

And that's the only thing I'm saying about this. It doesn't have anything to do with why a parser is or isn't needed, because a parser would change absolutely nothing about that situation. I'm not saying parsers cannot prove someone is underperforming, I'm saying that it's nowhere near necessary when someone is just literally wearing the wrong gear.

Will be a pain if he doesn't learn anything from his job.

Well, maybe you should have tried to correct him and help. Kicking him without telling him what he should be using is not going to make him get better. It's just going to make him think you're a jerk and not care what you say because he thinks you're a jerk.

other people have the right to insult you, look down on you or harass you

No they don't. That's why there's rules against it.

you have to acommodate your playstyle or join with friends.

How come other people have to accommodate you instead of you accommodating them? What's stopping you from joining with friends if you want to get through quickly because you know exactly how much DPS people are going to put out?

[Viridiana]

When does it not? I can't say I've ever seen such an example. I'd like for you to provide one, since I'm legitimately curious. It would be more helpful than acting smug and pretending to know something I don't know without providing anything to back you up.

Sure. Have this post, this post, this post and if you really want I have a spreadsheet I could upload again...

However, I just ran tests on it hoping to confirm the way the tooltips say it. I was proven wrong. I didn't use a parser for this, since I feel like all of this was just an attempt to bait me into doing so. I scraped the data from my combat log by hand and entered it into excel to run the calculations.

Not attempting to get you to use a parser (though ACT has this nifty sort feature that lets you easily find min/max damage, but I digress). Simply showing that trying to math out potencies doesn't quite tell the full story.