The Real Problem with Parsers

[Elazu]

I could really careless how long it takes to do a DF, or how much more dps I do then the next person. Trying to be an elitist on a game such as this is laughable. Play the game to have fun, enjoy the random people you play with in a DF, help them if needed. This idea of sprinting to the end and walking over others to do it is retarded. Run your DF with your static if you want to do them quickly. As a dps wating 15+ mins to a que, why even start an argument? Just do your job the best you can and understanding of others about it. At any rate I think everything has been said in the 49 pages of post. Just keep in mind to be an asshole or intolerant to others on this type of game is silly.

Here we go again. Being good at a game means you're not having fun and you're an elitist pig. Good stuff.

[Malevicton]

Here we go again. Being good at a game means you're not having fun and you're an elitist pig. Good stuff.

there's no way this hasn't already been posted here through 50 pages, but w/e it's hilarious:

[Leonus]

there's no way this hasn't already been posted here through 50 pages, but w/e it's hilarious:

Hahaha, I saw this once before, but this fits here pretty accurately.

[RiisWolf]

Hahaha, I saw this once before, but this fits here pretty accurately.

It really does.

[Aiselia]

Here we go again. Being good at a game means you're not having fun and you're an elitist pig. Good stuff.

Because I'm curious how your thinking works and am not sure if you just try to troll everyone that uses the word elitist or honestly think people are saying this, what part of what the person said that you're replying to said anything like that?


They didn't say being good at the game made you elitist. They didn't even mention being good at the game at all. They said they don't care how long a DF takes or how much more DPS they do. They said that trying to be elitist was laughable. They say to have fun playing the game. They said to enjoy the people you get and help if needed. They said that stepping on others to get finished faster is retarded. They said to run your DF with a static if you want them done quickly.

What they didn't say was "Being good makes you elitist". In fact, they didn't really qualify anything about what makes you elitist outside of... y'know, being an elitist. They also didn't say being good wasn't having fun.

So I'm honestly curious, do you somehow think that people are actually saying what you make up, or are you completely aware that what you're saying isn't accurate at all to what they said?

Because from where I'm standing, the only one linking elitism with being good is you. The person you responded to said nothing even remotely similar to that, unless for some reason you assume that every single person that's good at the game must also care about how long they spend in a DF run and how much more DPS they do, which goes back to you being the one linking being good at the game and being elitist.

Can you actually answer where you allegedly see the person saying people that are good at the game are all elitists and not having fun? Can you point out where the person you responded to said anything about good players at all?

[segagamer]

If no parsers are allowed, how are we able to see the pro groups like this from the DF?

This is from an A4 run I just did. (NIN died in quarantine so I was expecting low dps from him at the end of the fight.)

[Gorlioliolio]

No wonder the nin died with that war

By watching their animations. Are you suggesting it's hard to tell when someone's spamming the same attack? Each attack has a different animation, after all.

I'm suggesting that not everyone knows every classes rotations, or really pays attention to it because they are playing to the best of their own ability, a healer might see buffs like heavy thrust or umbral fire up though, and yes as a tank I will see smn dots, but that doesn't mean they are using painflare, dreadwyrm or deathflare, some of us have animations for other classes turned off.

But if auto attacks pull about 180-200 dps (at least mine do as a drk) and the dps is doing 250-300 it's pretty easy to tell. And at that point you can use the parser to look up which abilities were used. If all you see is attack and 1 other thing in their outgoing damage you now know where the problem is and can try to discuss this with them, if they refuse to acknowledge you or to improve at that point I consider it harassment.

[Aiselia]

I'm suggesting that not everyone knows every classes rotations

Knowing rotations of other classes is irrelevant to seeing if someone's spamming one attack.

yes as a tank I will see smn dots, but that doesn't mean they are using painflare, dreadwyrm or deathflare, some of us have animations for other classes turned off.

Aetherflow. If they're sitting at 3 stacks all the time (or never have any at all) and aren't getting any aethertrail attunement, they're not using those skills. This doesn't require a parser. It requires basic attention.

If all you see is attack and 1 other thing in their outgoing damage

If all they're doing is auto-attack plus one ability, you don't need a parser to see that.

So how do you plan to prove any of that? That their DPS is bad, CD uses is bad, healing is bad etc. without a parser?

By the fact that they're spamming one attack. Nobody's DPS is going to be good if they're only using one attack.

Because it's my job to look at everyone else in the group's characters to make sure they're using their attacks rather than just looking at numbers in the bottom corner of my screen.

It's not your job to look at numbers in the bottom of your screen, either. In fact, you shouldn't be looking at those numbers because they shouldn't be there. Factually speaking, it is significantly less your job to be looking at numbers because they shouldn't be there.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Knowing rotations of other classes is irrelevant to seeing if someone's spamming one attack.

Aetherflow. If they're sitting at 3 stacks all the time (or never have any at all) and aren't getting any aethertrail attunement, they're not using those skills. This doesn't require a parser. It requires basic attention.

If all they're doing is auto-attack plus one ability, you don't need a parser to see that.

So how do you plan to prove any of that? That their DPS is bad, CD uses is bad, healing is bad etc. without a parser?

[segagamer]

Because it's my job to look at everyone else in the group's characters to make sure they're using their attacks rather than just looking at numbers in the bottom corner of my screen.