The Real Problem with Parsers

[Viridiana]

Practically the whole post? Instead of supporting his own argument he just started pointing out problem's with a something completely unrelated, as though that would support his position. Straw manning doesn't necessarily need to be something that was never said; it can just be something irrelevant to the topic at hand. The topic was how his post was relevant, and his argument was that someone else's was less relevant. That doesn't make his post any more relevant.

It also doesn't make it a strawman, based on any definition of strawman I've ever seen.

It's been his go-to tactic in this thread. Attack other people's positions, then claim he can't be wrong because he never had a position. How many times now has he said something like "lol I never said I was against parsers, show me in my posts where I said that, I just said [goes on to say a bunch of stuff that's obviously against parsers, while carefully avoiding explicitly taking a position]"? Spoiler, it's happened a lot.

Spoiler, most of those were arguing with me, and he and I agree that parsers would be cool if they didn't come with a side order of jerks. He's only been stating that people being jerks is kinda SE's whole reason not to implement parsers, and some of the people in this thread are going a fair way to showing SE right. >_>

more extreme example: A literary theorist claimed earlier today that Pride and Prejudice doesn't have any merit in its use of literary devices, but I think they were just trying to rationalize their personal dislike by making unsupportable claims. So clearly I'm right about parsers, and about strawmanning.

That's a wonderful example of a non sequitor, but unless you have a decent source categorizing it as a strawman, I don't agree that this is a strawman.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Sastasha HM or Qarn HM for example, I have had dps who fail so incredibly hard you can't pass the dps checks on the 2nd bosses. I have kicked dps at these 2 bosses after wiping a couple times, trying to explain their basic rotations to the people, wiping again and eventually getting fed up. Was I wrong to kick them? I don't think so but all these people who seem to think that playing terribly and wasting other peoples time is their self entitled right by paying their subscription would disagree with me.

Well, that particular question wasn't really directed at you. But I guess you answered it for those who cannot understand or appreciate the existance of parsers

[Malevicton]

Do you have a point Aiselia? You seem to just be crapping on other people's posts while carefully avoiding ever making a point of your own.

[Malevicton]

The context of the quote right before you ripped it out of its context was players with savage gear being intentionally lazy, btw.

"but if one exists, why couldn't others?"

because that's fearmongering. You can find one of just about anything in the world.

[RapBreon]

Times the mighty straw-god of arguments has been summoned in this thread: 1 googolplex.

[AriaEnia]

1 more option for votekicking:

Harassment
Cheating
AFK
Offline
Stupid DPS

The last one is not limited to DPS, but also healers who don't dps and tanks who don't wear str accs.

[Flipside101]

I don't want to play a "set rotation"

Do you want to be an Ice Mage?

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Since you've brought up Square Enix's line of thought again, where are your sources on this?

[Aiselia]

Since you've brought up Square Enix's line of thought again, where are your sources on this?

Sources on what, exactly? That they don't want people to be jerks to each other over it?

That position isn't really specific. There are a lot of vague qualifiers (like "as long as they don't create extra jerks")

"As long as they don't create extra jerks" isn't vague at all.

I accept your apology, though, for incorrectly and rudely asserting that I've avoided stating any position despite the fact that I stated my position in a post that you quoted immediately after. It's okay, people miss things in posts sometimes when they're skimming. It was a long post, after all.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Sources on what, exactly? That they don't want people to be jerks to each other over it?

Your claims about what Square-Enix thinks, what Square-Enix is expecting and their reasoning/stand on parsers. As you're saying "Square-Enix this and that" here and there, it's either:
1) You have sources of interviews where a representative made statements on Square-Enix's behalf
or
2) You are making statements on Square-Enix's behalf

Unless you have sources, number two would apply. And unless you're an officially appointed representative of Square-Enix, I do believe impersonating one's a breach of their ToS.