The Real Problem with Parsers

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Alright, I've seen enough of this. Here's how it's gonna work:

If parsers are officially implemented, then it's up to the INDIVIDUAL to make the best of it. The tool itself is not and will not be a problem. However,

If you refuse to use it and make no improvement (that you need to improve); you're part of the problem.
If you use it to exclude people or judge them unfairly; you're part of the problem
If you use it purely for bragging rights or to look down on others; you're part of the problem
And if you demonize it and make assumptions that simply adding it is going to make anyone not already doing the above start doing it, you're just as much a part of the problem.

Personal Accountability. If things go bad, ask yourself first if you're contributing to the problem, or the solution. Parsers are a good tool that can be used badly, like many other tools already in-game. Let's not look at anyone or anything but ourselves first for the cause of any problems/solutions.

[Subucnimorning]

The only problem with parsers is that this thread has gone on for 33 pages.

[Waliel]

At this point, I can only assume you've missed my repeated, and I do mean repeated, statements saying that I'm completely fine with parsers as long as they don't create extra jerks and that I'm all for a personal parser for people to see their own DPS to improve because that's the safest middle ground for SE to let people get their numbers to see if they have room for improvement without risking extra jerks calling people out on their DPS. I assume that because you seem to be trying to convince me of the exact benefits of a parser that I've already said I know about and think would be great to have.

It just that reading these forums, I feel like anything Squenix does would seem to increase the number of jerks and the like tenfold. Makes them quite fun, though. Nothing like a big "What are you even saying?" in the morning.

To be honest, I'm kind of scared that people thought my story about being kicked over not eating a completely non-edible food instead a completely non-existing food was meant to be serious. :/

My super clever mind's first thought was to ask if the "tailor-made" pie was made of linen.

[Aiselia]

Honestly, I didn't even pay attention to those parts

But those are the best parts!

Well, I mean, we argued for how long about whether or not parsers should be allowed, and I was on the pro-parse side, and you were arguing against me, so clearly you're anti-parser. You casual scrub, you.

It's because I don't want anyone finding out that I'm not out-DPSing the DRG on my tank. Shhhhhh. I'm so ashamed that I'm not both topping the DPS charts and tanking the mobs. It's bad enough that I'm also slacking and not doing all the healing to so the healers can DPS.

My super clever mind's first thought was to ask if the "tailor-made" pie was made of linen.

Ew. Everyone knows you don't use linen in pies.

It ruins the texture. You always want silk. Nice and smooth.

Here's a fun fact: Calling people out on their bad dps doesn't make one a jerk.

I've never heard the phrase "calling someone out" as not being negative.

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To add to this, I checked some dictionaries, unsurprisingly normal dictionaries didn't have the phrase in any way that applied to this, but urban dictionary doesn't seem to paint a very innocuous picture. Most them quite literally have to do with challenging somebody for some sort of fight or insulting them. In fact, the top accepted definition says "to put someone on blast", which then goes on to "to shame them badily (sic) in front of a group of three or more people". Which is oddly specific and I'm not sure why two isn't a blast.

So yes, "calling people out" by the apparently generally accepted definition of the phrase does make one a jerk because the phrase tends to revolve around insulting or attempting to shame someone.

There's a difference between "calling someone out" and "politely offering assistance to help someone improve".

[Elazu]

Here's a fun fact: Calling people out on their bad dps doesn't make one a jerk.

[Kabooa]

Here's a fun fact: Calling people out on their bad dps doesn't make one a jerk.

Kind of depends on the tone.

[Benolan]

Here's a fun fact: Calling people out on their bad dps doesn't make one a jerk.

Yes it does. Calling people out indicates telling people they suck, L2P, etc...

Pointing out areas for improvement and offering constructive advice does not.

[Elazu]

Yes it does. Calling people out indicates telling people they suck, L2P, etc...

Since English isn't my first language, I thought maybe I'm using 'call somebody out' differently, so I checked a dictionary.

This is not at all what it indicates.

[StouterTaru]

Yes it does. Calling people out indicates telling people they suck, L2P, etc...

Pointing out areas for improvement and offering constructive advice does not.

Calling someone out means pointing out something negative about them. It doesn't have to be done in a dickish tone.

[karateorangutang]

Calling someone out means pointing out something negative about them. It doesn't have to be done in a dickish tone.

Let me tell you a story:

Waaaaay back when I was a young gladiator lad I was DF'ing halatali for the first time. I had tanked for a long time in FFXI and thought I knew everything. When we are pulling mobs I was not using flash enough to keep hate on AoE damage bursts from the mages in the party. This led to a "you suck tank" style rebuf that was greatly unappreciated. However, in that same instance the healer ( a higher level tank) politely pointed out what I should be doing. It was simple advice that I probably could have figured out on my own over time, but I still think kindly of that guy to this day. I have on many occasions in content I don't know been asked to do things differently, it's always been more of a help than a hindrance.

As long as people are going into content with a higher than 3rd grade mentality then you should be giving advice if you are the more experienced one in the dungeon or raid.