PvP Abilities and Action Bar Space

[Alahra]

Does anyone else not run Frontlines much primarily because of a lack of action bar space? I was mostly a PvP type in WoW, but I find the setup in FFXIV frustrating because I simply don't have the keybind space to make use of the additional PvP Abilities. When I do decide to do a match, I have to spend awhile rearranging hotbars to get something sort of workable, but I still usually don't have room for all 8 new abilities. This was irritating already in ARR and has only gotten worse since HW gave every class 5 new actions.

I really wish they had done the PvP skills as modifications to existing abilities instead of new ones.

[Mikedizzy]

Yeah I hear that sucks for key board players...I play on controller and have no issues at all.

[Alahra]

Yeah I hear that sucks for key board players...I play on controller and have no issues at all.

That's what I hear. I have a FC-mate on PS4 who PvPs frequently and he says it's not as much of an issue for him. The best I can do is rearrange my hotbars for every match, dropping some abilities in favor of PvP ones, but I generally can't shutter 8 abilities on any of the classes I play.

[Februs]

That's what I hear. I have a FC-mate on PS4 who PvPs frequently and he says it's not as much of an issue for him.

Not necessarily. I play on PS4. Right now, I have two designated PvP hotbars that have a mix of commonly used combos/dots mixed in with Job specific PvP actions. When I only had one class to play PvP on, it wasn't an issue, but now that I have several classes I can switch between, finding the real estate for all their individual PvP moves is troublesome, and I'm constantly rearranging my PvP hotbars depending on which Job I plan to que as.

[Mikedizzy]

We on controller have an option to use the optional double trigger hot bars and that is where I put my PvP abilities so that they are not comingled with my other abilities.

[Vandril]

I just activated a third main horizontal action bar and threw it above the default two. Then I added some extra horizontal bars (and a vertical bar) to the right of the default bars. Gives me more than ample room for all abilities on the bars, at least. Then it's just a matter of setting keybinds.



I generally hide the unused slots, though. Ends up looking like this.

[Alahra]

Then it's just a matter of setting keybinds.

That's generally what's getting me, the keybinds. I have a few open spaces action-bar wise for my NIN (for example--though I don't have open spots on others), but in terms of readily accessible keybinds, my only options are ALT-modifiers at this point, which are quite awkward to use while moving and the like, which is sort of a problem in PvP. I had similar problems in WoW (I use the same basic keybind map for both of them), but since the abilities were all shared between PvE/PvP, I just made sure PvP-centric ones were easily accessible. That's more difficult to do here since most of the standard PvE stuff takes up all the core buttons.

I've tried a number of workarounds but I always end up getting frustrated to some degree or another.

[Vandril]

I have a few open spaces action-bar wise for my NIN (for example--though I don't have open spots on others), but in terms of readily accessible keybinds, my only options are ALT-modifiers at this point, which are quite awkward to use while moving and the like, which is sort of a problem in PvP.

Ah, so you don't like using the modifiers. Yeah, that would certainly limit your options. I hate to say it, but you might just have to suck it up and use them. Or maybe get a gaming mouse and use some of the buttons on that in concert with your keyboard bindings. I can't think of any other way to make it work well.

I'm a clicker, personally. I could never get behind keybinding; it always just felt far too awkward. I'm much more comfortable at knowing where my mouse cursor is on my screen than I am at knowing where my hand is on the keyboard, all without looking. My limits are simply how many bars I can fit on my screen. I've been doing it so long that I've naturally adapted this weird hybrid keyboard-mouse movement scheme in order to not keyboard turn. How I use my mouse to both click abilities and move at the same time I'll never even understand myself, but it works as well as any keybinding would.

[Alahra]

Ah, so you don't like using the modifiers.

Oh, no, you misunderstand to a degree. I have several modifiers. It's just that the ones that are left I can't really use effectively while moving. I actually am the opposite regarding keyboard/mouse, though, I only use the latter when I have to do ground-targeting.

[Vandril]

Oh, no, you misunderstand to a degree. I have several modifiers. It's just that the ones that are left I can't really use effectively while moving.

Ah, so you're quite literally out of space in your movement comfort zone. I gotcha.

What about using a gaming mouse, as I mentioned before? Those could help.

I actually am the opposite regarding keyboard/mouse, though, I only use the latter when I have to do ground-targeting.

Yeah, most people are the opposite of me regarding keyboard/mouse. XD